Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

At this point what does it really matter the picks are gone can't do anything about that at this point it's all about picking the best quarterback for us regardless of who that is .

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mahomes is fantastic in the pocket.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jcool:
So who was the last good traditional pocket passes drafted in the NFL? Matt Stafford? Who has been what a top 15 QB over his career? He also has a cannon for an arm. So Jones probably doesn't have his upside. Whos next Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins and Jared Goff in terms of pocket passers? This isn't exactly a all time list.

Who was the last great Air Raid QB before Mahomes? Who was the last great Oregon QB before Herbert? Who was the last great Ohio State QB period?

In the end you're looking at individuals and not some collective blob. It always only takes one player to change people's attitudes.

He doesn't have the traits this isn't a system question.

Originally posted by Jcool:
So who was the last good traditional pocket passes drafted in the NFL? Matt Stafford? Who has been what a top 15 QB over his career? He also has a cannon for an arm. So Jones probably doesn't have his upside. Whos next Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins and Jared Goff in terms of pocket passers? This isn't exactly a all time list.

They're still winning Super Bowls aren't they. But with just about every college team running spread read option offenses it makes sense that the pocket passer pipeline isn't what it was.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The question as posed is meaningless, IMHO.

The worth of a player in a given draft is dependent upon the market that year for the player. That depends on the current state of QB situations in the entire league, and which teams are QB needy and where they are picking.

Moreover, the answer isn't knowable at this stage. No one will know until a few years from now.

If you're asking, in a vacuum, if a guy who isn't an elite athlete is worth that kind of investment, it depends on who. Peyton Manning is worth 10 first round picks. Couldn't run to save his life.

So again, the question isn't HONESTLY answerable in an objective sense.

Nor is it all that relevant, since Shanahan and Lynch are the ones making the call. Is it worth three firsts to them.

We'll see in a few weeks.

Huh? You either think he's worth 3 yrs of 1st rd picks or you don't...is Mac Jones worth 4 total picks and giving up yrs of high end talent?

that's all I'm asking...do you think he's talented enough for that. You're banking on him being a top 5 talent and someone you plan on being the guy for a decade.

I have yet to hear a person that would yes I'll give you all those picks for Mac Jones.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Who was the last great Air Raid QB before Mahomes? Who was the last great Oregon QB before Herbert? Who was the last great Ohio State QB period?

In the end you're looking at individuals and not some collective blob. It always only takes one player to change people's attitudes.

you're talking about where a QB went to school and he's talking about how a QB actually plays football? I'm sorry that's not the same.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Quadrupling down.

Kyle Shanahan wants a QB who sees it clearly and delivers it accurately. Running ability is great, sure, but not as a bail-out when a bail-out should be rarely necessary.

That's part of why … https://t.co/Ka8Yfy5k8J

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) March 30, 2021

He doesn't want a QB at all, he wants to be the QB or at least be as close to it as possible. Any deviation from his play is unacceptable no matter what. Just more fuel for the fire that is the growing consensus that Shanahan would rather lose with a Mac Jones type as his QB than win with a more dynamic QB.

They say that, but I don't buy it.

Kyle has been around a long time, since he was a little kid. The QB that he's been around who are head and shoulders above the rest running his dads offense was John Elway, who was allowed to make whatever adjustments they needed.

Kyle has always used QBs that he got on a discount, besides RG3 who he didn't pick and didn't really get much time with. This is the first time he gets to make a QB pick that could be elite. I think he's looking for his own Elway.

Very true. I think Fields has some Elway qualities.

Originally posted by Oilcan:
At this point what does it really matter the picks are gone can't do anything about that at this point it's all about picking the best quarterback for us regardless of who that is .

It absolutely matters, they clearly made this move pretty much knowing who they're pick.

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mahomes is fantastic in the pocket.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The question as posed is meaningless, IMHO.

The worth of a player in a given draft is dependent upon the market that year for the player. That depends on the current state of QB situations in the entire league, and which teams are QB needy and where they are picking.

Moreover, the answer isn't knowable at this stage. No one will know until a few years from now.

If you're asking, in a vacuum, if a guy who isn't an elite athlete is worth that kind of investment, it depends on who. Peyton Manning is worth 10 first round picks. Couldn't run to save his life.

So again, the question isn't HONESTLY answerable in an objective sense.

Nor is it all that relevant, since Shanahan and Lynch are the ones making the call. Is it worth three firsts to them.

We'll see in a few weeks.

Huh? You either think he's worth 3 yrs of 1st rd picks or you don't...is Mac Jones worth 4 total picks and giving up yrs of high end talent?

that's all I'm asking...do you think he's talented enough for that. You're banking on him being a top 5 talent and someone you plan on being the guy for a decade.

I have yet to hear a person that would yes I'll give you all those picks for Mac Jones.

I'm saying there is no objective answer — at least not now.

As for me, I'd give those many picks to get to 3 and have the chance to pick one of these three. Then I'd spend a month vigorously studying them to determine which is overall the best for my team and system, and then whichever I took I'd deem worth it.

But I am saying NO to the notion that Jones can't be worth it just because he doesn't have elite athleticism or an absolute rocket arm. As I've said to you numerous times, those are not the only traits that rarely improve. A QB wins FANS with his athleticism. He wins GAMES with his brain.

EDIT - let me get in here and clear this up before some ignorant fool plays the race card again. I am NOT talking about intelligence. I'm talking about functional football awareness and football related intelligence (digesting coverages, learning playbook, seeing the field, etc).

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mahomes is fantastic in the pocket.

Sure he is, he can also make plays outside of the pocket...pretty sure you saw what he did vs SF in the super bowl no?

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Jcool:
So who was the last good traditional pocket passes drafted in the NFL? Matt Stafford? Who has been what a top 15 QB over his career? He also has a cannon for an arm. So Jones probably doesn't have his upside. Whos next Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins and Jared Goff in terms of pocket passers? This isn't exactly a all time list.

They're still winning Super Bowls aren't they. But with just about every college team running spread read option offenses it makes sense that the pocket passer pipeline isn't what it was.

Winning Super Bowls? Tom Brady? Who was drafted in 2000. If you can tell me he is 2007 Tom Brady... Sign me up... But those are some low odds.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who the hell is still rooting for him to be the pick in here?

Seriously are there people in here that think he's worth 3 1sts rd picks? I mean what are we doing?

what we gave up is too much for any rookie qb, but i get why kyle did it.

i dont think mac is bad, ive poured over his tape and dude can play. i can see why kyle would live to coach him.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Mac Jones on throws 20+ yards downfield last season

🚀 1,355 yards (1st)
🚀 17 TDs (1st) pic.twitter.com/4LZhXUMUxC

— PFF Fantasy Football (@PFF_Fantasy) March 30, 2021

Not exactly a surprise given who he had at WR.

DI'd you said the same about Burrow with Justin Jefferson and JaMaar Chase at WR?

124 tight windows completions vs 44. 24% vs 11%

More meaningless stats

Meaningless if you don't value accuracy. Lol

Wrong. Tight window throws mean the WR is well covered. The ball is JUST AS ACCURATE if the WR is alone and it hits the same point in stride.

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mahomes is fantastic in the pocket.

except when his drops go way too far back and ends up in manufactured pressure, he does that often.