Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by bigdawg49:
Shanahan altready said he doesn't talk to Simms about football. Simms is giving his opinion. You really think the most important pick for shanahan and lynch is gonna be a guy who could've been there at 12? Do you really think shanahan is gonna tell Simms who he's gonna pick at 3? Cmon now. People need to stop acting like they know what shanahan and lynch are doing and be real.

Shanahan says a lot of s**t. He said Trent Brown was the greatest pass protector he's ever seen before drafting Mike McGlinchey and shipping his ass out. He said Deforest Buckner is the type of guy you build around before shipping his ass off to Indi. I wouldn't take his word at face value.

Simms has a record of spilling the beans. There's precedent(s). If you're not following along, that's on you. Unfortunately, there is no sticky post feature on this forum where people can access information easily instead of having to re-explain everything, which I'm not going to do.

Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I understand it doesn't mean anything until we see him play. But if Fields is on the board and I hear Goodell say "Mac Jones" when it's our turn... that moment might be up there with me reading the notification on my phone that we've hired Tomsula as our HC. I don't know if I'm going to be able to stomach it

do some research on Mac Jones, you have a month

that might help you stomach it

I'll likely do more, but I've already done some and so far my "conclusion" is this: he's not bad, but he played with arguably the GOAT college football supporting cast (including two WR's that both might go in the top 10), he's shown little mobility, he had a comfy pocket way more frequently than any other QB, he has little zip on the ball, and he's out of shape. Ultimately, what he's good at are traits that you can teach. What he's not good at are traits that simply can't be taught.

He's not horrible or anything. But three 1sts and change? I just can't grasp how he's worth that. Dude's numbers were insanely inflated thanks to the team he played for and there's nothing particularly special about his skills, which are basically all mental.

Fields' traits are way more elusive. You can't reach speed. You can't teach zip or power. You can hardly teach accuracy at all. He has all of those. And he's still brilliant at reading defenses despite the narrative. OSU's offense was built on pre-snap reads (that's why he often went to his first read. Because it was frequently the correct one!)

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by 49erbrass:
I dont get all this hate towards Mac Jones. This guy broke the FBS record with a 77.4 completion percentage. His worst game he still completed 66% of his passes. He also avg 11 yds per pass so he is chucking it down the field too, its not just dink and dunk which you would expect with such a high completion percentage. Kyle wants accuracy and someone who can hit the big play consistently. Like it or not, Thats Mac Jones!

Mediocre arm, terrible athlete, played on one of the best (and best coached) offense's ever, got to sit around for 3 years and watch, low ceiling...

his arm isn't mediocre at all, it's superb

terrible athlete? if anything he's mediocre but I'd say he's above average at worst. He's not as athletic as Fields or Lance, but that doesn't mean he's a terrible athlete

he played on a great team, how is that his fault?
and if he's drafted by the 49ers, guess what? he's going to have the #1 TE, #1 FB, #1 LT, one of the best OLs as a unit, 2 stud WR's... and one of the best offensive coaches

we're not a franchise starting over, we don't need a savior, we need someone to hit open receivers

and I don't understand why people say his ceiling is low? because he's not athletic?

He is a terrible athlete. Garroppolo esque.. hes a statue. His arm isnt superb either, it's very average.

Nothing wrong with playing on a great team, but the weapons, linemen and coaches around him created a very unique situation.. one where any quarterback would have found great success.

We have the 3rd overall pick. We will have 2 special talents to choose from be it Wilson, Lance or Fields. You can find a Mac Jones in any draft, the former 3 not so much.

well once again I disagree with everything you said, you just repeated yourself with not much else to argue against, so I don't know what else to say... he's more athletic than Garoppolo, that much is for sure

and I think Mac Jones could be more special than Lance and Fields, he has great talent

and no, you definitely can't find someone with his accuracy, precision, anticipation, arm, work ethic and pedigree every year in the draft - how many 41 TD/4 INT, National Championship winning QBs do you think are drafted every year?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by KID9R:
In my opinion I think this whole thing with Mac Jones has been a smokescreen and that he probably won't even be drafted in the top 10.
Put yourselves in John and Kyle's position. Let's assume that Kyle has found his dream quarterback, let's assume for discussion that this is Justin Fields 1A(could be Zack).
but to be able to trade to 3 John and Kyle have to have another quarterback grade out fairly closely to justify using three first round picks on him. So let's assume the other quarterback is Zach Wilson 1B.
So the risky part of only being able to trade to 3, is that you still can't control whether you get your 1A. So there's still no way you can give any hints as to who you actually want to draft. Because the Jets could always trade out, what if the Falcons really love Fields and they throw a blockbuster trade at the Jets? You have to make it so that the Falcons (or another team) feel that they could get Fields at 4. So that they don't try and put a deal together.
That's why Kyle, when asked why they're going to Alabama's pro day he says... " now that you move up to three you don't have to hide as much". When have you ever heard a coach or GM give a hint like that when they weren't guaranteed to get their guy? IMO they're trying to convince the league that Mac Jones is their guy so that no one jumps them.
Everybody knows the jags are taking Lawrence, do you hear the Jets making a peep about who they're taking?

If they love Fields and Wilson, they're getting one of the two no matter what happens. They are at these pro days because they are making sure they don't f this up.

Yup, that's what I said. But there's no way Kyle doesn't have a favorite. So why tip your hand and possibly provoke another team to jump you and take your 1A?

And every NFL team knows everything is a smokescreen, which means going to pro days mean very little.

Agreed, I don't think us going to Alabama's pro day means we're drafting Mac at all. But I do think Kyle saying " now that you move up to three you don't have to hide as much" was thought out.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by bigdawg49:
Shanahan altready said he doesn't talk to Simms about football. Simms is giving his opinion. You really think the most important pick for shanahan and lynch is gonna be a guy who could've been there at 12? Do you really think shanahan is gonna tell Simms who he's gonna pick at 3? Cmon now. People need to stop acting like they know what shanahan and lynch are doing and be real.

Shanahan says a lot of s**t. He said Trent Brown was the greatest pass protector he's ever seen before drafting Mike McGlinchey and shipping his ass out. He said Deforest Buckner is the type of guy you build around before shipping his ass off to Indi. I wouldn't take his word at face value.

Simms has a record of spilling the beans. There's precedent(s). If you're not following along, that's on you. Unfortunately, there is no sticky post feature on this forum where people can access information easily instead of having to re-explain everything, which I'm not going to do.

He has opinions and if you're looking at a couple of picks (mcglinchey and aiyuk) well those are just coincidences because no coach is dumb enough to leak information out to somebody in the media especially for a very important draft pick.

Narrative has changed a little it seems after Fields balled out on his pro day where Mac was more average. This is a good development.

Starting to lean that we are going Fields.

Hopefully, Fields changes the Jets mind and they pass on Wilson.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Narrative has changed a little it seems after Fields balled out on his pro day where Mac was more average. This is a good development.

Starting to lean that we are going Fields.

1. narrative doesn't mean anything, it's all up to Shanahan
2. Pro Days mean very little. Tape matters, you know, proof of live reps against real opponents in pads

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who the hell is still rooting for him to be the pick in here?

Seriously are there people in here that think he's worth 3 1sts rd picks? I mean what are we doing?

Why are you so exercised over what other people think? You've made your point of view on this player perfectly clear to everyone, at this point you're just beating a dead horse with an oversized shovel.

I love the use of Bones. Nice work Phoenix. For all our sake I really hope it's fields. Shanny can turn him into a better qb than jimmy g and imo that's all we need to win a SB

Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
nice first post!

I agree, the hate is mind-boggling to me
I think Mac Jones is a precise, accurate, smart QB like Rivers, Ryan, Manning, Brady

people are saying we need to go mobile because that's the direction the league is headed in, but Shanahan has admitted that he likes to zig when the rest of the league is zagging

and all of the efficient mobile QBs in today's NFL, are great passers first and foremost, with the exception of Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray - and the jury is still out on those two as far as I'm concerned - but Mahomes, Wilson, Allen, Rodgers, Watson, etc. are better passers than they are runners. Passing the football should be the most important attribute, not how well they run or what they look like

Pretty much exactly what I just said in my reply to some negative feedback. We think similar...

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mediocre arm, terrible athlete, played on one of the best (and best coached) offense's ever, got to sit around for 3 years and watch, low ceiling...

His deep throws are just as good as I have ever seen, He fits them in tight pro windows too. Mac has touch and accuracy like Brady and Montana and Manning. He doesnt need to throw rockets to be successful. I remember a time when John Elway and Marino were criticized by scouts for throwing to hard. Bill Walsh was adamant about throwing nice easy catchable passes for a reason.

Nowadays everyone puts way too much emphasis on sparq and measurables. The job is to throw the ball to the open receiver consistently which I think gets overlooked now somehow. Of all of the super athletic Qbs drafted over the years none have dominated the NFL. Even Patrick Mahomes is the least athletic QB of the new breed of dual threat QBs as evident by his 4.80 40 time. Which is why he didnt get drafted very high in the first place.

Just saying...

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mediocre arm, terrible athlete, played on one of the best (and best coached) offense's ever, got to sit around for 3 years and watch, low ceiling...

His deep throws are just as good as I have ever seen, He fits them in tight pro windows too. Mac has touch and accuracy like Brady and Montana and Manning. He doesnt need to throw rockets to be successful. I remember a time when John Elway and Marino were criticized by scouts for throwing to hard. Bill Walsh was adamant about throwing nice easy catchable passes for a reason.

Nowadays everyone puts way too much emphasis on sparq and measurables. The job is to throw the ball to the open receiver consistently which I think gets overlooked now somehow. Of all of the super athletic Qbs drafted over the years none have dominated the NFL. Even Patrick Mahomes is the least athletic QB of the new breed of dual threat QBs as evident by his 4.80 40 time. Which is why he didnt get drafted very high in the first place.

Just saying...

Great points all around. Today it looks like Mac is the #3 pick.

Mac's thread really blew up... Almost 400 pages

He has the best film of all of the top 4 prospects. I don't really care about a QB's 40 times, I just want one who can get the ball to where it needs to be, when it needs to be there. Jones seems to do that more than any of the other guys we'll have a shot at getting. That's not even taking into account the competition levels that they all faced.

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So would you give up 3 1sts for him over Lance/fields/Wilson?

his film isn't amazing to me. He's efficient under structure which is nice...Jimmy did the same thing.

Imo if you're one meaningful attribute is that you can run your coaches offense that you've got to sit back and learn for three years before playing, I'm not really that impressed. Every single NFL QB should know how to do that.

First off the whole "you gave up THREE first round picks" s**t needs to stop. It's easy math folks. We gave up net -2 first round picks Yes we traded 3 first round picks and got back a VERY valuable 1st round pick back in return.
Ill bet BB would give his left nut for the #3 pick

Im no QB guru and don't know who to pick at this point. I'll jump off the fence during draft week.
Not afraid to admit that.

Yes it is giving up three first round picks. Because it takes one to draft the guy.
So you are spending three first round picks on a quarterback.
you are right it is easy math.

Lol seriously...you using the 3rd overall pick PLUS giving up a 2022 1st, 2022 3rd, 2023 1sts. It's not hard to get.