Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
He has the best film of all of the top 4 prospects. I don't really care about a QB's 40 times, I just want one who can get the ball to where it needs to be, when it needs to be there. Jones seems to do that more than any of the other guys we'll have a shot at getting. That's not even taking into account the competition levels that they all faced.

No he actually doesn't have the best film. You want a guy who can get the ball where it needs to go, draft Davis Mills or keep Jimmy. You can find dudes every single yr that can run Kyle's QB friendly scheme. All 5 of these QBs can run this offense.

As far as competition...fun fact. Fields will have attempted the most passes vs top-50 FBS defenses of any QB drafted in the last decade.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
He has the best film of all of the top 4 prospects. I don't really care about a QB's 40 times, I just want one who can get the ball to where it needs to be, when it needs to be there. Jones seems to do that more than any of the other guys we'll have a shot at getting. That's not even taking into account the competition levels that they all faced.

AGree. If you look at Russel Wilson up in Seadderall Land, their offense is basically the scramble drill. When Wilson trys to stay in the pocket and play QB, they get shut down offensively and fall behind. NOw once they fall behind, then they go to their scramble drill and finally start getting some points via the way they rely on Midget Wilsons athleticism and his arm. I think with those kinds of offenses, you need superior athletes everywhere to make those scramble offenses consistently work. It's basically back yard football and the biggest fastest and strongest wins in those kinds of situations.

Whereas, with an under the center QB that can play QB and hit his third and 4th reads, you can employ more subterfuge and trickery to get the defenses moving one way and gain some advantage. Classing example is the typical play action pass. Another example is if you give a good QB and a good (not great) WR 4+ seconds in the pocket to pass - the WR will usually beat the DB in those situations. So there are a lot of advantages of having a pure pocket passer operating your offense.

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who the hell is still rooting for him to be the pick in here?

Seriously are there people in here that think he's worth 3 1sts rd picks? I mean what are we doing?

Why are you so exercised over what other people think? You've made your point of view on this player perfectly clear to everyone, at this point you're just beating a dead horse with an oversized shovel.

I love the use of Bones. Nice work Phoenix. For all our sake I really hope it's fields. Shanny can turn him into a better qb than jimmy g and imo that's all we need to win a SB

Anyone who actually wants us to draft Jones, I hope you step on lego's.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Anyone who actually wants us to draft Jones, I hope you step on lego's.

I think ShanaLynch moved up to #3 *knowing* who they preferred as QB. Having said that, it's not a done deal. Lance and Fields still have a shot at being chosen, and I hope it's Fields myself. I think despite the rawness of Fields, his talent is worth it, and Jimmy is still there as a Mac clone if he doesn't . But listening to Chris Simms, and knowing Kyle is the boss there, it looks pretty clear that Kyle likes Mac vs the other two unfortunately.

The point about all the Mac Jones stuff is smoke and mirrors, I think doesn't hold water because I think neither Jaguars or Jets are going to trade out of their respective draft positions.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Anyone who actually wants us to draft Jones, I hope you step on lego's.

I think ShanaLynch moved up to #3 *knowing* who they preferred as QB. Having said that, it's not a done deal. Lance and Fields still have a shot at being chosen, and I hope it's Fields myself. I think despite the rawness of Fields, his talent is worth it, and Jimmy is still there as a Mac clone if he doesn't . But listening to Chris Simms, and knowing Kyle is the boss there, it looks pretty clear that Kyle likes Mac vs the other two unfortunately.

The point about all the Mac Jones stuff is smoke and mirrors, I think doesn't hold water because I think neither Jaguars or Jets are going to trade out of their respective draft positions.

100% agree. Kyle needs to step on legos every day if he drafts Jones at 3. They have no reason to lie and he said as much.

You think Andy Reid would draft Jones over Fields or Lance? Hell no.

If Kyle is still this dumb then he is the Jim Kelly of coaches. Great enough to get you to a SB, but can never win it.

Originally posted by Giedi:
AGree. If you look at Russel Wilson up in Seadderall Land, their offense is basically the scramble drill. When Wilson trys to stay in the pocket and play QB, they get shut down offensively and fall behind. NOw once they fall behind, then they go to their scramble drill and finally start getting some points via the way they rely on Midget Wilsons athleticism and his arm. I think with those kinds of offenses, you need superior athletes everywhere to make those scramble offenses consistently work. It's basically back yard football and the biggest fastest and strongest wins in those kinds of situations.

Whereas, with an under the center QB that can play QB and hit his third and 4th reads, you can employ more subterfuge and trickery to get the defenses moving one way and gain some advantage. Classing example is the typical play action pass. Another example is if you give a good QB and a good (not great) WR 4+ seconds in the pocket to pass - the WR will usually beat the DB in those situations. So there are a lot of advantages of having a pure pocket passer operating your offense.

It's funny you say that when he actually spent less time from under center than fields/Wilson/Lance.

it was all shotgun...RPOs screens made up a 3rd of his passing attempts.

if people don't think Fields goes thru progressions then all that's telling me is you haven't watched him play, you listen to BS hot takes or you've stereotyped him as a athletic one read black quarterback.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Anyone who actually wants us to draft Jones, I hope you step on lego's.

I think ShanaLynch moved up to #3 *knowing* who they preferred as QB. Having said that, it's not a done deal. Lance and Fields still have a shot at being chosen, and I hope it's Fields myself. I think despite the rawness of Fields, his talent is worth it, and Jimmy is still there as a Mac clone if he doesn't . But listening to Chris Simms, and knowing Kyle is the boss there, it looks pretty clear that Kyle likes Mac vs the other two unfortunately.

The point about all the Mac Jones stuff is smoke and mirrors, I think doesn't hold water because I think neither Jaguars or Jets are going to trade out of their respective draft positions.

For the last time...Chris Simms knows f**k all about who are going to draft.

Originally posted by Giedi:
. But listening to Chris Simms, and knowing Kyle is the boss there, it looks pretty clear that Kyle likes Mac vs the other two unfortunately.

The point about all the Mac Jones stuff is smoke and mirrors, I think doesn't hold water because I think neither Jaguars or Jets are going to trade out of their respective draft positions.

Chris Simms has NO IDEA who SF likes or is taking...did you not listen to the presser the other day? Kyle said (and went out of his way too) that he doesn't tell Simms s**t since he joined the media world....He said Simms can't keep his mouth shut and Simms doesn't even ask him anymore because Kyle doesn't tell him anything.

If it was Jones no matter what, why ask Fields to do another pro day? Why send half of your top end scouts and father there? Why get on a jet to Ohio yesterday? Why ask Lance for a second pro day as well?

Their conference the other day, made it sound like he's not gonna be the guy based on what they're looking for overall.

NO ONE knew SF was gonna move up to three, NO ONE knew they were looking at QBs this hard, everyone including the major insiders said Jimmy is the guy UNLESS Watson (at the time) would actually become an option. IF Watson was who they wanted, why is a player like Jones the fall back? Why did no one have a clue about this trade or them actually wanting a rookie QB? It's because SF doesn't talk, no leaks. So any "sources" at this point are full of it.

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mahomes is fantastic in the pocket.

Dude only runs 100-300 yards a year. He's a pocket passer first and foremost. His mobility certainly affords him the chance to scramble around behind the LOS that increases his TTT (2.89) but he's no Lamar Jackson or the Waterbug. He's in the same bucket as Aaron Rodgers that way. There aren't two buckets but three.

Montana bucket - adequate mobility; pocket passer through and through. Master of this means less need to play off schedule
Steve Young bucket - pocket passer with mobility to buy extra time to pass off schedule; run as a last resort or by design
Lamar Jackson bucket - leads team in rushing; leans on off schedule plays

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mahomes is fantastic in the pocket.

Dude only runs 100-300 yards a year. He's a pocket passer first and foremost. His mobility certainly affords him the chance to scramble around behind the LOS that increases his TTT (2.89) but he's no Lamar Jackson or the Waterbug. He's in the same bucket as Aaron Rodgers that way. There aren't two buckets but three.

Montana bucket - adequate mobility; pocket passer through and through. Master of this means less need to play off schedule
Steve Young bucket - pocket passer with mobility to buy extra time to pass off schedule; run as a last resort or by design
Lamar Jackson bucket - leads team in rushing; leans on off schedule plays

I agree, I never said Mahomes wasn't a pocket passing QB...I have no idea what Bellaleo is even trying to say in here half the time.

Much like Fields, he has athletic traits that allow him to move inside/outside of the pocket extend plays for guys like Kelce/Hill. Both will/have been able to dictate coverages (especially on 3rd down) You can't play man (especially on 3rd down) when the QB is an actual threat to run. SF will get many more converted 3rd downs IMO. Also he's an issue for defenses in the RZ.

Kyle with Fields opens up so much, I really don't know how you defend the run game with him or Lance added to the fold. You want more, not the same and that's why Lance/Fields should and hopefully will be the pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mahomes is fantastic in the pocket.

Dude only runs 100-300 yards a year. He's a pocket passer first and foremost. His mobility certainly affords him the chance to scramble around behind the LOS that increases his TTT (2.89) but he's no Lamar Jackson or the Waterbug. He's in the same bucket as Aaron Rodgers that way. There aren't two buckets but three.

Montana bucket - adequate mobility; pocket passer through and through. Master of this means less need to play off schedule
Steve Young bucket - pocket passer with mobility to buy extra time to pass off schedule; run as a last resort or by design
Lamar Jackson bucket - leads team in rushing; leans on off schedule plays

I agree, I never said Mahomes wasn't a pocket passing QB...I have no idea what Bellaleo is even trying to say in here half the time.

Much like Fields, he has athletic traits that allow him to move inside/outside of the pocket extend plays for guys like Kelce/Hill. Both will/have been able to dictate coverages (especially on 3rd down) You can't play man (especially on 3rd down) when the QB is an actual threat to run. SF will get many more converted 3rd downs IMO. Also he's an issue for defenses in the RZ.

Kyle with Fields opens up so much, I really don't know how you defend the run game with him or Lance added to the fold. You want more, not the same and that's why Lance/Fields should and hopefully will be the pick.

During the press conference, shanahan started getting fully aroused by talking about how much he wanted kirk cousins. He basically confirmed what we all had speculated. He passed up on other qbs because he wanted kirk freaking cousins. If that doesn't give you doubt in his ability to pick a qb, I don't know what does. He is picking his robot. Its mac jones. Simms is right, maiocco is right. Be prepared.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
. But listening to Chris Simms, and knowing Kyle is the boss there, it looks pretty clear that Kyle likes Mac vs the other two unfortunately.

The point about all the Mac Jones stuff is smoke and mirrors, I think doesn't hold water because I think neither Jaguars or Jets are going to trade out of their respective draft positions.

Chris Simms has NO IDEA who SF likes or is taking...did you not listen to the presser the other day? Kyle said (and went out of his way too) that he doesn't tell Simms s**t since he joined the media world....He said Simms can't keep his mouth shut and Simms doesn't even ask him anymore because Kyle doesn't tell him anything.

If it was Jones no matter what, why ask Fields to do another pro day? Why send half of your top end scouts and father there? Why get on a jet to Ohio yesterday? Why ask Lance for a second pro day as well?

Their conference the other day, made it sound like he's not gonna be the guy based on what they're looking for overall.

NO ONE knew SF was gonna move up to three, NO ONE knew they were looking at QBs this hard, everyone including the major insiders said Jimmy is the guy UNLESS Watson (at the time) would actually become an option. IF Watson was who they wanted, why is a player like Jones the fall back? Why did no one have a clue about this trade or them actually wanting a rookie QB? It's because SF doesn't talk, no leaks. So any "sources" at this point are full of it.

Reports came out after we made the deal for the 3rd pick that for the past few weeks we have been in talks for the 4th, 5th and 6th pick but unable to reach a deal with those teams.

To me if the 49ers were comfortable with those picks then Mac has been their guy all along considering Fields has been the most sought after guy of the 3 remaining QBs.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
During the press conference, shanahan started getting fully aroused by talking about how much he wanted kirk cousins. He basically confirmed what we all had speculated. He passed up on other qbs because he wanted kirk freaking cousins. If that doesn't give you doubt in his ability to pick a qb, I don't know what does. He is picking his robot. Its mac jones. Simms is right, maiocco is right. Be prepared.

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