Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Webzone article playing the race card now in the Jones vs Fields debate now. It was only a matter of time

I read it and it has to be one of the worst articles I ´ve ever seen.
You really think Mac Jones is seeing as the choice for the niners by the medias because he is white? Really?

You obviously didnt read it. Hes talking about unconscious racism, not blatant. The idea that a quarterback looks a certain part so you assume certain things.

For example, Fields is better than Jones in literally every category, mentally as well, but Jones looks like a traditional quarterback and you attach certain stigmas with that.

A good example was that if Fields had a DUI and was fat like Jones, you would definitely hear about him being a potential head case and having character issues. You won't hear these things being an issue for Jones.

The medias think Mac Jones is the third pick because it´s Shanahan and he has a type with QBs based on history, that´s it.
Stop seeing racism everywhere.
And by the way most of them are already questioning us for supposedly taking Jones and not Fields or Lance.

Seeing a clear bias when a nearly impeccable Fields is dragged through the mud for two "bad games" and a false notion that he's dumb is not seeing racism everywhere.

Once again, do you think if Fields was fat and had a DUI it would be an issue? We all know it would dominate the draft talk and he would likely fall to the 2nd round. With Jones, it's not s story... and if the DUI is ever publicized, it will be a story of redemption and how he found God or some b******t.

We both know that.

I agree that was one of the worst articles I've read on the webzone.

I'm black and would prefer Jones over Fields, probably because I'm racist right?

I'm black too, you dont get points for that or a pat on the back. If you dont got anything constructive to add you might as well post somewhere else smh.

His point is that he disagreed that there is any racial bias. No need to attack him, man. I agree with him, I've watched all the quarterbacks in this class. Fields is #5 on the list for me solely due to his film. The way he looked when blitzed was especially troubling. He seemed like the worst among the top 5 guys with handling the blitz. That knocked him down a lot in my eyes.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Webzone article playing the race card now in the Jones vs Fields debate now. It was only a matter of time

I read it and it has to be one of the worst articles I ´ve ever seen.
You really think Mac Jones is seeing as the choice for the niners by the medias because he is white? Really?

You obviously didnt read it. Hes talking about unconscious racism, not blatant. The idea that a quarterback looks a certain part so you assume certain things.

For example, Fields is better than Jones in literally every category, mentally as well, but Jones looks like a traditional quarterback and you attach certain stigmas with that.

A good example was that if Fields had a DUI and was fat like Jones, you would definitely hear about him being a potential head case and having character issues. You won't hear these things being an issue for Jones.

The medias think Mac Jones is the third pick because it´s Shanahan and he has a type with QBs based on history, that´s it.
Stop seeing racism everywhere.
And by the way most of them are already questioning us for supposedly taking Jones and not Fields or Lance.

Seeing a clear bias when a nearly impeccable Fields is dragged through the mud for two "bad games" and a false notion that he's dumb is not seeing racism everywhere.

Once again, do you think if Fields was fat and had a DUI it would be an issue? We all know it would dominate the draft talk and he would likely fall to the 2nd round. With Jones, it's not s story... and if the DUI is ever publicized, it will be a story of redemption and how he found God or some b******t.

We both know that.

I agree that was one of the worst articles I've read on the webzone.

I'm black and would prefer Jones over Fields, probably because I'm racist right?

I'm black too, you dont get points for that or a pat on the back. If you dont got anything constructive to add you might as well post somewhere else smh.

His point is that he disagreed that there is any racial bias. No need to attack him, man. I agree with him, I've watched all the quarterbacks in this class. Fields is #5 on the list for me solely due to his film. The way he looked when blitzed was especially troubling. He seemed like the worst among the top 5 guys with handling the blitz. That knocked him down a lot in my eyes.

"watched film" = found some youtube video to prop up preconceived notions.

I just can't see Jones being worth three first round picks and a third. Call me biased if you want, but this has smoke screen written all over it. Kyle even talked about it a little yesterday when he reference where the team has been at over the past four years, and where it needs to be in the next four years. Yes, we made it to a super bowl, but the offense needs to evolve and not risk stagnation with Jones. I think they've learned there lesson passing on Mahomes and Allen and won't do it again.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
his arm isn't mediocre at all, it's superb

terrible athlete? if anything he's mediocre but I'd say he's above average at worst. He's not as athletic as Fields or Lance, but that doesn't mean he's a terrible athlete

he played on a great team, how is that his fault?
and if he's drafted by the 49ers, guess what? he's going to have the #1 TE, #1 FB, #1 LT, one of the best OLs as a unit, 2 stud WR's... and one of the best offensive coaches

we're not a franchise starting over, we don't need a savior, we need someone to hit open receivers

and I don't understand why people say his ceiling is low? because he's not athletic?

Lol his arm most certainly is a not superb .

The romanticism over Mac Jones is probably one of the grossest things I've read in a draft forum.

his ceiling is low because he had NO special traits. None.

You don't seem to know what a trait is, no offense. Jones has special traits between the ears. Those are traits. They are talents. It they weren't, if everyone can do it, why can't Jimmy after being here since 2017? Because those are traits, too, and Jimmy ain't got them.

I can also add hundreds of other QBs who never appreciably developed those TRAITS as well.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
his arm isn't mediocre at all, it's superb

terrible athlete? if anything he's mediocre but I'd say he's above average at worst. He's not as athletic as Fields or Lance, but that doesn't mean he's a terrible athlete

he played on a great team, how is that his fault?
and if he's drafted by the 49ers, guess what? he's going to have the #1 TE, #1 FB, #1 LT, one of the best OLs as a unit, 2 stud WR's... and one of the best offensive coaches

we're not a franchise starting over, we don't need a savior, we need someone to hit open receivers

and I don't understand why people say his ceiling is low? because he's not athletic?

Lol his arm most certainly is a not superb .

The romanticism over Mac Jones is probably one of the grossest things I've read in a draft forum.

his ceiling is low because he had NO special traits. None.

You don't seem to know what a trait is, no offense. Jones has special traits between the ears. Those are traits. They are talents. It they weren't, if everyone can do it, why can't Jimmy after being here since 2017? Because those are traits, too, and Jimmy ain't got them.

I can also add hundreds of other QBs who never appreciably developed those TRAITS as well.

Who said Jimmy doesn't? His main issue has been injury.

Originally posted by Niners418:
My other question is how confident are we with Mac's short to intermediate game and having enough arm strength? We know he throws a pretty deep ball but the majority of big plays were just Smith or Waddle burning CB's and Mac just needs to lob it deep......which he deserves credit for hitting consistently. But that won't happen in the NFL.

His intermediate range was his strength per that video and he clearly has the arm strength to make every NFL throw but has a tendency to open up his base too much which means he might be trying to gear up and push too hard to make some of those.

Originally posted by davide49:

Originally posted by crusher49er:
Agreed. Jones looked sloppy yesterday and had nonchalant body language. Add to the fact he had a dui, has a beer belly(bad social media pics). But people talk about him like he's this paragon of virtue with Tom Brady leadership skills and brains.
He's an average qb. Jimmy g like.

This is an insult to Jimmy G. Jimmy G has balled out in the NFL on repeated occasions in the clutch.

He was bad last year after he got hurt. Period. He wasn't healthy and it was obvious. How quick we are to forget how good he was, so many f'ing times.

Mac Jones will never be as good as Garoppolo.

Nah, you're just in the Jimmy Club. Jimmy was carried by this team. You guys are really fond of pretending his CAREER BEST performance is somehow what he is lmao. Jimmy is a guy who REPEATEDLY and CONSISTENTLY fails to find the open guy. He only looks good when Shanahan schemes open something.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
his arm isn't mediocre at all, it's superb

terrible athlete? if anything he's mediocre but I'd say he's above average at worst. He's not as athletic as Fields or Lance, but that doesn't mean he's a terrible athlete

he played on a great team, how is that his fault?
and if he's drafted by the 49ers, guess what? he's going to have the #1 TE, #1 FB, #1 LT, one of the best OLs as a unit, 2 stud WR's... and one of the best offensive coaches

we're not a franchise starting over, we don't need a savior, we need someone to hit open receivers

and I don't understand why people say his ceiling is low? because he's not athletic?

Lol his arm most certainly is a not superb .

The romanticism over Mac Jones is probably one of the grossest things I've read in a draft forum.

his ceiling is low because he had NO special traits. None.

You don't seem to know what a trait is, no offense. Jones has special traits between the ears. Those are traits. They are talents. It they weren't, if everyone can do it, why can't Jimmy after being here since 2017? Because those are traits, too, and Jimmy ain't got them.

I can also add hundreds of other QBs who never appreciably developed those TRAITS as well.

This is actually an interesting post. I, too, wondered what happened with Jimmy. Because 2017 Jimmy is way different than what we say last year and during our playoff run. It's more than injuries, too.

Honestly, I think that Jimmy is damaged goods. After his first read, you see him freeze up and just wait to be sacked. I think he lost his confidence.

I wonder if the pro days yesterday made Shanahan think twice about who he is picking? Probably not, since he has seen a lot of tape.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
his arm isn't mediocre at all, it's superb

terrible athlete? if anything he's mediocre but I'd say he's above average at worst. He's not as athletic as Fields or Lance, but that doesn't mean he's a terrible athlete

he played on a great team, how is that his fault?
and if he's drafted by the 49ers, guess what? he's going to have the #1 TE, #1 FB, #1 LT, one of the best OLs as a unit, 2 stud WR's... and one of the best offensive coaches

we're not a franchise starting over, we don't need a savior, we need someone to hit open receivers

and I don't understand why people say his ceiling is low? because he's not athletic?

Lol his arm most certainly is a not superb .

The romanticism over Mac Jones is probably one of the grossest things I've read in a draft forum.

his ceiling is low because he had NO special traits. None.

You don't seem to know what a trait is, no offense. Jones has special traits between the ears. Those are traits. They are talents. It they weren't, if everyone can do it, why can't Jimmy after being here since 2017? Because those are traits, too, and Jimmy ain't got them.

I can also add hundreds of other QBs who never appreciably developed those TRAITS as well.

Who said Jimmy doesn't? His main issue has been injury.

Wrong. We lost the Super Bowl because Jimmy failed to see wide open WRs in third down in the redzone — THREE TIMES (one was saved by a penalty). That costed us 8 points.

He REGULARLY decides where he's going pre-snap and sticks to it regardless of what happens post-snap.

You guys don't want to see it because you're homers.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Webzone article playing the race card now in the Jones vs Fields debate now. It was only a matter of time

I read it and it has to be one of the worst articles I ´ve ever seen.
You really think Mac Jones is seeing as the choice for the niners by the medias because he is white? Really?

You obviously didnt read it. Hes talking about unconscious racism, not blatant. The idea that a quarterback looks a certain part so you assume certain things.

For example, Fields is better than Jones in literally every category, mentally as well, but Jones looks like a traditional quarterback and you attach certain stigmas with that.

A good example was that if Fields had a DUI and was fat like Jones, you would definitely hear about him being a potential head case and having character issues. You won't hear these things being an issue for Jones.

The medias think Mac Jones is the third pick because it´s Shanahan and he has a type with QBs based on history, that´s it.
Stop seeing racism everywhere.
And by the way most of them are already questioning us for supposedly taking Jones and not Fields or Lance.

Seeing a clear bias when a nearly impeccable Fields is dragged through the mud for two "bad games" and a false notion that he's dumb is not seeing racism everywhere.

Once again, do you think if Fields was fat and had a DUI it would be an issue? We all know it would dominate the draft talk and he would likely fall to the 2nd round. With Jones, it's not s story... and if the DUI is ever publicized, it will be a story of redemption and how he found God or some b******t.

We both know that.

I agree that was one of the worst articles I've read on the webzone.

I'm black and would prefer Jones over Fields, probably because I'm racist right?

I'm black too, you dont get points for that or a pat on the back. If you dont got anything constructive to add you might as well post somewhere else smh.

His point is that he disagreed that there is any racial bias. No need to attack him, man. I agree with him, I've watched all the quarterbacks in this class. Fields is #5 on the list for me solely due to his film. The way he looked when blitzed was especially troubling. He seemed like the worst among the top 5 guys with handling the blitz. That knocked him down a lot in my eyes.

"watched film" = found some youtube video to prop up preconceived notions.

"Disagrees with me therefore HE'S the one that didn't adequately study the QBs."

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
You obviously didnt read it. Hes talking about unconscious racism, not blatant. The idea that a quarterback looks a certain part so you assume certain things.

For example, Fields is better than Jones in literally every category, mentally as well, but Jones looks like a traditional quarterback and you attach certain stigmas with that.

A good example was that if Fields had a DUI and was fat like Jones, you would definitely hear about him being a potential head case and having character issues. You won't hear these things being an issue for Jones.

Unconscious bias, implicit bias. Stop it with that nonsense.

And then you back up your accusations with your own personal biased opinions and/or "lived experiences. No need to bring race into it, especially when pulling from CRT.

At the end of the day, no one knows the mental processing power better than the coaches who are interviewing these QB's. I don't care how fast someone runs or how big they are, I don't want the front office sacrificing any mental capabilities for athletic ability, no matter the race of the QB. Or do you assume being colorblind is racist too?

Garoppolo is slower than Mac at 4.97 vs 4.79, has a weaker arm, and can't hit the deep throws. All this was apparent from very early on. OK, we've all seen him fail now, but where was the criticism all along. Mac is not getting a fair shake here. As I previously posted with stats, he is faster than 76 percent of the Super Bowl winning quarterbacks this century, we can all see he is more accurate than most, certainly on the deep ball and I believe on the intermediate routes as well like Drew Brees maximizing RAC. The dude is smart, Kyle is smart, and that's what he needs to take advantage of his planning. Getting about time to get on board.

Originally posted by zero:
I just can't see Jones being worth three first round picks and a third. Call me biased if you want, but this has smoke screen written all over it. Kyle even talked about it a little yesterday when he reference where the team has been at over the past four years, and where it needs to be in the next four years. Yes, we made it to a super bowl, but the offense needs to evolve and not risk stagnation with Jones. I think they've learned there lesson passing on Mahomes and Allen and won't do it again.

Can I ask why we need a smoke screen if we are picking 1 and 2. And we already know who's going 1 and 2. Just a bit confused. It's not like any team has a chance to trade ahead of us

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
his arm isn't mediocre at all, it's superb

terrible athlete? if anything he's mediocre but I'd say he's above average at worst. He's not as athletic as Fields or Lance, but that doesn't mean he's a terrible athlete

he played on a great team, how is that his fault?
and if he's drafted by the 49ers, guess what? he's going to have the #1 TE, #1 FB, #1 LT, one of the best OLs as a unit, 2 stud WR's... and one of the best offensive coaches

we're not a franchise starting over, we don't need a savior, we need someone to hit open receivers

and I don't understand why people say his ceiling is low? because he's not athletic?

Lol his arm most certainly is a not superb .

The romanticism over Mac Jones is probably one of the grossest things I've read in a draft forum.

his ceiling is low because he had NO special traits. None.

You don't seem to know what a trait is, no offense. Jones has special traits between the ears. Those are traits. They are talents. It they weren't, if everyone can do it, why can't Jimmy after being here since 2017? Because those are traits, too, and Jimmy ain't got them.

I can also add hundreds of other QBs who never appreciably developed those TRAITS as well.

That's where there seems to be a massive divide in "traits" with fans. Physical vs. Pocket traits.

90% of the game is still mental and 10% physical execution off that mental. You can't have one without the other. But you have to have both to be special.

And the physical traits can be broken down within and outside the pocket. Far more STILL takes place physically, within the pocket. An example of 60% passes are completed on the first read within the pocket for Kyle. How much more on second and third progressions?

Focusing on skills for outside that is simply a luxury more than anything and certainly not a requirement. An example of this is Kyle only calls roughly 35 bootlegs in a year. PA is nearly 25% of all his calls and those are all within the pocket per design.