Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
lol no worries. i read your initial response in more of a "shocked" tone. no way i'd count each post one by one lol

And who gives a s**t, I post all over the place.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Anyone think Mac Jones might actually go #2? Not to hype him up too much, but mentally, the guy is very comparable to the way Peyton Manning was as a prospect, the way he sees the field.

That and the elite accuracy quote by an NFL source pretty much nails him in at #3. I was thinking about Jets possibly taking him #2 as well considering the only thing Wilson has on him is throwing ability.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
lol no worries. i read your initial response in more of a "shocked" tone. no way i'd count each post one by one lol

And who gives a s**t, I post all over the place.

I know. But more in this thread.

Just face it. You're infatuated with Mac.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

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Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Webzone article playing the race card now in the Jones vs Fields debate now. It was only a matter of time

I read it and it has to be one of the worst articles I ´ve ever seen.
You really think Mac Jones is seeing as the choice for the niners by the medias because he is white? Really?

You obviously didnt read it. Hes talking about unconscious racism, not blatant. The idea that a quarterback looks a certain part so you assume certain things.

For example, Fields is better than Jones in literally every category, mentally as well, but Jones looks like a traditional quarterback and you attach certain stigmas with that.

A good example was that if Fields had a DUI and was fat like Jones, you would definitely hear about him being a potential head case and having character issues. You won't hear these things being an issue for Jones.

The medias think Mac Jones is the third pick because it´s Shanahan and he has a type with QBs based on history, that´s it.
Stop seeing racism everywhere.
And by the way most of them are already questioning us for supposedly taking Jones and not Fields or Lance.

Seeing a clear bias when a nearly impeccable Fields is dragged through the mud for two "bad games" and a false notion that he's dumb is not seeing racism everywhere.

Once again, do you think if Fields was fat and had a DUI it would be an issue? We all know it would dominate the draft talk and he would likely fall to the 2nd round. With Jones, it's not s story... and if the DUI is ever publicized, it will be a story of redemption and how he found God or some b******t.

We both know that.

I agree that was one of the worst articles I've read on the webzone.

I'm black and would prefer Jones over Fields, probably because I'm racist right?

I'm black too, you dont get points for that or a pat on the back. If you dont got anything constructive to add you might as well post somewhere else smh.

His point is that he disagreed that there is any racial bias. No need to attack him, man. I agree with him, I've watched all the quarterbacks in this class. Fields is #5 on the list for me solely due to his film. The way he looked when blitzed was especially troubling. He seemed like the worst among the top 5 guys with handling the blitz. That knocked him down a lot in my eyes.

"watched film" = found some youtube video to prop up preconceived notions.

MD and I have stated many times in the past we don't judge solely off of youtube videos. Especially not highlights either. If you know where to look, you can view entire games. Been reviewing players a long time, man. I had no preconceived notions about any player going into this draft season. I watched guys, I looked for certain traits and how they handled certain situations. Didn't like what I saw with Fields in comparison.

No one's ever 100% right, but I have a very strong track record overall, I put in the time so I trust what I see. Just not a Fields fan. Maybe he'll be great. Who knows?

Did you guess right on Mahomes? That's the one so many people missed so I'm curious.

I checked the Mahomes thread because I honestly didn't remember what I said about him. I was more focused on pass rushers that year I think. I liked Mahomes, the last thing I had said on him before the draft was that I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns took him at #1.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Wrong. Under pressure QB rating for Fields per PFF 54.1 and 123 for Jones. Multiple scouts have questioned Fields processing on the field.

Id just like to add Fields avg time to pass was 3.1 seconds. Thats not happening in the NFL...

Do you understand what TTT is? It has nothing to do with PP...his OL was NOT good overall this yr.

it has more to do with scheme and being forced to extend plays more then anything.

Why are YOU continuing to tie the QB to PP in this stat. The stat merely demonstrates the average time the QB chooses to hold the ball post snap, no matter the reason.

3.11 is an insane amount of time and 3.18 when blitzed is even more . That's on the QB. And that's why his % is so low...he's not finding success throwing the ball buying all that time.

Kyle wants all his guys within 2.55 and under.

That doesn't mean he can't and won't do it but this is a huge indication of personal choice and relying on athleticism. That'll get you killed in the NFL and it's also one of the hardest traits to unlearn and reel in.

If I had to guess right now, he's going to be sacked a ton to start his career until he learns to reel it in like Steve Young (who, BTW, took 6 years to learn to do and he said it was the single hardest trait to unlearn).

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Do you understand what TTT is? It has nothing to do with PP...his OL was NOT good overall this yr.

it has more to do with scheme and being forced to extend plays more then anything.

Well thats completely subjective and lots of factors are at play here. I could just as easily say its because he doesnt process information fast so he has to buy time to find an open receiver.

Originally posted by boast:
what? its one click on the subforum main page. calm down dude.

Holy crap! 418 is ALOT. 768 is insane. Especially for a guy you don't like but would be OK with but he sucks because he's a statue that went to Alabama and is a pocket passer that has traits I don't consider traits and would need the perfect situation.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Anyone think Mac Jones might actually go #2? Not to hype him up too much, but mentally, the guy is very comparable to the way Peyton Manning was as a prospect, the way he sees the field.

Lol right? Jets run the same offense and if he's the next Manning and best scheme fit, why not? Wilson scrambles and makes plays out of structure just as much if not more than anyone else in this draft...he hasn't playing against anyone meaningful and has his own issues when pressured.

where's all the outrage for him?

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
I like you. Seems like you do your own homework with no bias. I feel similarly about Jones. He doesn't pop on the tape and I also dont see all these super intangibles everyone else apparently does. He looks like a good starter who had a fantastic year with one of the greatest offenses ever constructed... and that's without having Waddle.

Bamas talent isnt just on another level, so is their coaching and film work. The way they match their guys up and exploit weaknesses is poetry.

This is THE wildest thing the 49ers have done while I've been a hard-core fan. I've just decided to go through and watch all the YouTube videos I can find on these guys and see what I see. I gotta post it here because I'm a loser and don't have no friends to talk football with.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
You obviously didnt read it. Hes talking about unconscious racism, not blatant. The idea that a quarterback looks a certain part so you assume certain things.

For example, Fields is better than Jones in literally every category, mentally as well, but Jones looks like a traditional quarterback and you attach certain stigmas with that.

A good example was that if Fields had a DUI and was fat like Jones, you would definitely hear about him being a potential head case and having character issues. You won't hear these things being an issue for Jones.

Unconscious bias, implicit bias. Stop it with that nonsense.

And then you back up your accusations with your own personal biased opinions and/or "lived experiences. No need to bring race into it, especially when pulling from CRT.

At the end of the day, no one knows the mental processing power better than the coaches who are interviewing these QB's. I don't care how fast someone runs or how big they are, I don't want the front office sacrificing any mental capabilities for athletic ability, no matter the race of the QB. Or do you assume being colorblind is racist too?

I must have touched a nerve. Anyone can put two and two together. If you choose to ignore the obvious, that's fine. This has been discussed on other media outlets as well, so it's not just my opinion. Fact is, you can't prove any of it is racism, but I have the right to make my assumption based off the history of the league and the difference in how Fields and Jones are viewed.

Most people in sports media think one of Fields or Lance are better prospects than Jones and SHOULD be taken instead of Jones. They just point out that Jones fits Shanahan's long standing QB mold, and that is the ONLY reason Jones is mocked to the 49ers.

If the 49ers take Jones, they are probably going to get KILLED by sportswriters who give draft grades. And if and when they do it's going to kind of hurt your argument here.

The DUI thing is legitimate. Everything else is to tone deaf to the actual general media consensus, which is that Shanahan will be taking Jones because he's stubborn about his mold, not because Jones is the better prospect.

Originally posted by krizay:
Holy crap! 418 is ALOT. 768 is insane. Especially for a guy you don't like but would be OK with but he sucks because he's a statue that went to Alabama and is a pocket passer that has traits I don't consider traits and would need the perfect situation.

Who cares how much I post in here? I don't.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why are YOU continuing to tie the QB to PP in this stat. The stat merely demonstrates the average time the QB chooses to hold the ball post snap, no matter the reason.

3.11 is an insane amount of time and 3.18 when blitzed is even more . That's on the QB. And that's why his % is so low...he's not finding success throwing the ball buying all that time.

Kyle wants all his guys within 2.55 and under.

That doesn't mean he can't and won't do it but this is a huge indication of personal choice and relying on athleticism. That'll get you killed in the NFL and it's also one of the hardest traits to unlearn and reel in.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!!!

Mac Jones, Kyle Shanahan show why QB-49ers coach are ideal NFL draft pair (yahoo.com)
https://sports.yahoo.com/mac-jones-kyle-shanahan-show-141414750.html

Still Fields for me.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
Holy crap! 418 is ALOT. 768 is insane. Especially for a guy you don't like but would be OK with but he sucks because he's a statue that went to Alabama and is a pocket passer that has traits I don't consider traits and would need the perfect situation.

Who cares how much I post in here? I don't.

Right! Who f**king cares?

Mac Jones just needs to get in tip top shape. Makes me wonder why he isn't and if he is lazy.
Does he not participate in workout drills? Did Saban give him a pass?