Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Anyone think Mac Jones might actually go #2? Not to hype him up too much, but mentally, the guy is very comparable to the way Peyton Manning was as a prospect, the way he sees the field.

Lol right? Jets run the same offense and if he's the next Manning and best scheme fit, why not? Wilson scrambles and makes plays out of structure just as much if not more than anyone else in this draft...he hasn't playing against anyone meaningful and has his own issues when pressured.

where's all the outrage for him?

Agreed. Everything is wide open still. Hence, why everyone should keep an open mind and keep discussing traits and scheme fit.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Mac Jones, Kyle Shanahan show why QB-49ers coach are ideal NFL draft pair (yahoo.com)
https://sports.yahoo.com/mac-jones-kyle-shanahan-show-141414750.html

Still Fields for me.

Respect you posting this though.

Originally posted by krizay:
Holy crap! 418 is ALOT. 768 is insane. Especially for a guy you don't like but would be OK with but he sucks because he's a statue that went to Alabama and is a pocket passer that has traits I don't consider traits and would need the perfect situation.

LOL.

I thought i was over 200 posts, but i guess not.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
This is what I find odd. So stay within the structure of the play as long as possible even if it results in incompletion or a sack? Isn't that pass rush dependent? He isn't going to have hours back there. Yeah I'm sure he processes fast, I've heard that enough times. Also have seen enough of Murray and Wilson evade the pass rush, improvise or take off running and convert a 3rd and 12. Would be nice to have that weapon in your arsenal.

It's third and twelve from our own 15, our quarterback with "Traits" drops back, but the pass rush splits, and our boy leaps forward for 12 yards and a First Down. The Crowd Goes Wild.

Shanahan barely sees it, because he's watching the safeties react to his routes just like he drew it up, and now after faking a block or two, he sees Kittle 10 yards behind everybody crossing the 50. But the play is over with Traits on his belly on the 27.

What do you think? Kyle happy, or Kyle sad? He wasted three plays on the previous drive teaching those safeties what to do to set this up.

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why are YOU continuing to tie the QB to PP in this stat. The stat merely demonstrates the average time the QB chooses to hold the ball post snap, no matter the reason.

3.11 is an insane amount of time and 3.18 when blitzed is even more . That's on the QB. And that's why his % is so low...he's not finding success throwing the ball buying all that time.

Kyle wants all his guys within 2.55 and under.

That doesn't mean he can't and won't do it but this is a huge indication of personal choice and relying on athleticism. That'll get you killed in the NFL and it's also one of the hardest traits to unlearn and reel in.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!!!

When you run a s**t ton of choice routes and someone's have to wait for a guy to break on a route 15 yards downfield....you're forced to hold the ball longer. Crazy I know. Why do you think he was never throwing balls near the LOS like Jones (a 3rd of his attempts were) THAT IS part of the scheme.

maybe talk about that?

you think Kyle is gonna force Fields to hold onto the ball that long in this scheme? NOPE

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Wrong. Under pressure QB rating for Fields per PFF 54.1 and 123 for Jones. Multiple scouts have questioned Fields processing on the field.

Id just like to add Fields avg time to pass was 3.1 seconds. Thats not happening in the NFL...

Do you understand what TTT is? It has nothing to do with PP...his OL was NOT good overall this yr.

it has more to do with scheme and being forced to extend plays more then anything.

Scheme is part of why many don't think it will be Fields. If a college team doesn't run a scheme that makes you do certain things you'll be asked to do in the NFL, how can you learn them?

You can say he can learn it in the NFL, but biology has placed a time limit on maximized brain plasticity. The phrase "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" has a tiny bit of truth. It is harder to force the brain to operate differently once you leave the teenage years, and it gets harder over time. (Sidenote: this is part of why I lean toward Lance over Fields — Lance is a bit closer to that magical time when your brain is best able to be changed).

That probably plays a role in why so many QBs aren't able to rewire how their eyes and brain are married once they get to the NFL.

Other factors could include live reps: how many do you get in the season when you're the.m developmental backup? The work must be done in the off-season.

That's why if the pick is Fields or Lance, it's probably a good idea to keep Jimmy for BOTH years left on his contract and let them become do good at the playbook that they talk about it in their sleep. That way, whatever modifications to the relationship to their eyes and brain that aren't achieved will be mitigated by them knowing exactly where everyone is at all times as the play unfolds.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Mac Jones, Kyle Shanahan show why QB-49ers coach are ideal NFL draft pair (yahoo.com)
https://sports.yahoo.com/mac-jones-kyle-shanahan-show-141414750.html

Still Fields for me.

Respect you posting this though.

So two days ago we were drafting Jones, yesterday we were drafting Fields, and today were back to drafting Jones again?

Good QB prospect but not good enough to be able to elevate and carry the team on his back let alone take over a game. Absolutely not worth trading all those picks for. Need to aim way higher than him.

According to the editorial on the front page you guys are racist if you want Mac Jones instead of Fields.

LOL at you

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
So two days ago we were drafting Jones, yesterday we were drafting Fields, and today were back to drafting Jones again?

After Kyle Trask's pro day, we will be drafting Trask lol

Originally posted by miked1978:
According to the editorial on the front page you guys are racist if you want Mac Jones instead of Fields.

LOL at you

Read the article.. some people are so obtuse. They see something race related and whine before even looking into it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why are YOU continuing to tie the QB to PP in this stat. The stat merely demonstrates the average time the QB chooses to hold the ball post snap, no matter the reason.

3.11 is an insane amount of time and 3.18 when blitzed is even more . That's on the QB. And that's why his % is so low...he's not finding success throwing the ball buying all that time.

Kyle wants all his guys within 2.55 and under.

That doesn't mean he can't and won't do it but this is a huge indication of personal choice and relying on athleticism. That'll get you killed in the NFL and it's also one of the hardest traits to unlearn and reel in.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!!!

When you run a s**t ton of choice routes and someone's have to wait for a guy to break on a route 15 yards downfield....you're forced to hold the ball longer. Crazy I know. Why do you think he was never throwing balls near the LOS like Jones (a 3rd of his attempts were) THAT IS part of the scheme.

maybe talk about that?

you think Kyle is gonna force Fields to hold onto the ball that long in this scheme? NOPE

Which scheme does Kyle run?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed. Everything is wide open still. Hence, why everyone should keep an open mind and keep discussing traits and scheme fit.

Dude I have been...what he runs at Bama is in no way a closer scheme fit than what Wilson/Lance/fields run.

Jones is primarily out of shotgun, he doesn't run PA/Boots like kyle wants. All the other QBs do. That's literally the foundation of his passing game.

it was all RPOs and a third of his passes were screens. Yes he's great post snap at looking where to go with the ball, that cool and all. That's also a learned trait...he got go sit for 3 yrs and watch.

IMO you're not drafting Jones and keeping Jimmy. They're basically the same player.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
This is what I find odd. So stay within the structure of the play as long as possible even if it results in incompletion or a sack? Isn't that pass rush dependent? He isn't going to have hours back there. Yeah I'm sure he processes fast, I've heard that enough times. Also have seen enough of Murray and Wilson evade the pass rush, improvise or take off running and convert a 3rd and 12. Would be nice to have that weapon in your arsenal.

It's third and twelve from our own 15, our quarterback with "Traits" drops back, but the pass rush splits, and our boy leaps forward for 12 yards and a First Down. The Crowd Goes Wild.

Shanahan barely sees it, because he's watching the safeties react to his routes just like he drew it up, and now after faking a block or two, he sees Kittle 10 yards behind everybody crossing the 50. But the play is over with Traits on his belly on the 27.

What do you think? Kyle happy, or Kyle sad?

Or Kittle is wide open yet Captain Pocket feeling a little NFL style pressure overthrows him by 6 yards (like at his Pro Day .) 4th and 12, crowd very unhappy. Or Captain Pocket just does have quite the protection he did with the best OL in college and gets up looking out his ear hole. 4th and 26.
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