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Originally posted by NCommand:
Which scheme does Kyle run?

Foundation of his passing game is play-action under center/boots something Jones didn't do. He also runs a lot of choice routes with his WRs.

go read what offense Fields best fits

Originally posted by miked1978:
According to the editorial on the front page you guys are racist if you want Mac Jones instead of Fields.

LOL at you

Well first, most of the arguing from the "pro Jones" side is simply arguing why KYLE will probably pick Jones.

I have personally flipped back and forth between all three. Yesterday I was leaning toward Lance BECAUSE of his inexperience (on the grounds that there may still be time to remold how his eyes and brain are married when he's dropping back, due to his youth and the possibility that his habits may not be as ingrained).

But the author must have become a 49er fan yesterday, because it's clear and obvious why Shanahan might like Jones. And he also must never read NFL media outside of the 49ers subgroup, because many of these writers think Shanahan taking Jones would be a huge mistake.

They will crucify us in the draft grades if we take Jones.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed. Everything is wide open still. Hence, why everyone should keep an open mind and keep discussing traits and scheme fit.

Dude I have been...what he runs at Bama is in no way a closer scheme fit than what Wilson/Lance/fields run.

Jones is primarily out of shotgun, he doesn't run PA/Boots like kyle wants. All the other QBs do. That's literally the foundation of his passing game.

it was all RPOs and a third of his passes were screens. Yes he's great post snap at looking where to go with the ball, that cool and all. That's also a learned trait...he got go sit for 3 yrs and watch.

IMO you're not drafting Jones and keeping Jimmy. They're basically the same player.

We gave a second rounder for Jimmy...we traded the house for #3 pick...if it Is Jones we draft, they are not the same player.
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Originally posted by AsianJeff:
After Kyle Trask's pro day, we will be drafting Trask lol

Gross. I hate all Florida QB's though....
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed. Everything is wide open still. Hence, why everyone should keep an open mind and keep discussing traits and scheme fit.

Dude I have been...what he runs at Bama is in no way a closer scheme fit than what Wilson/Lance/fields run.

Jones is primarily out of shotgun, he doesn't run PA/Boots like kyle wants. All the other QBs do. That's literally the foundation of his passing game.

it was all RPOs and a third of his passes were screens. Yes he's great post snap at looking where to go with the ball, that cool and all. That's also a learned trait...he got go sit for 3 yrs and watch.

IMO you're not drafting Jones and keeping Jimmy. They're basically the same player.

In the DROP BACK game there are a bunch of similarities. In fact, Sarkesian was the Offensive Coordinator in Atlanta who replaced Kyle Shanahan. A lot of that remains in his drop back game.
Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
We gave a second rounder for Jimmy...we traded the house for #3 pick...if it Is Jones we draft, they are not the same player.

That's why he's not gonna be the pick.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
When you run a s**t ton of choice routes and someone's have to wait for a guy to break on a route 15 yards downfield....you're forced to hold the ball longer. Crazy I know. Why do you think he was never throwing balls near the LOS like Jones (a 3rd of his attempts were) THAT IS part of the scheme.

maybe talk about that?

you think Kyle is gonna force Fields to hold onto the ball that long in this scheme? NOPE

Ok lets talk about it then...

Mac Jones averaged 11.19 yards per pass which was good for second in the NCAA this year.

Justin Fields averaged 9.33 yards per pass

Mac Jones threw the ball 402 times compared to Fields who attempted 225 passes. So taking that into account Jones actually through the ball down the field much more than Fields while being able to maintain a jaw dropping 77.4 completion percentage.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed. Everything is wide open still. Hence, why everyone should keep an open mind and keep discussing traits and scheme fit.

Dude I have been...what he runs at Bama is in no way a closer scheme fit than what Wilson/Lance/fields run.

Jones is primarily out of shotgun, he doesn't run PA/Boots like kyle wants. All the other QBs do. That's literally the foundation of his passing game.

it was all RPOs and a third of his passes were screens. Yes he's great post snap at looking where to go with the ball, that cool and all. That's also a learned trait...he got go sit for 3 yrs and watch.

IMO you're not drafting Jones and keeping Jimmy. They're basically the same player.

In the DROP BACK game there are a bunch of similarities. In fact, Sarkesian was the Offensive Coordinator in Atlanta who replaced Kyle Shanahan. A lot of that remains in his drop back game.


Sark isn't running the same offense dude. It's a straight up spread offense at Bama.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Mar 31, 2021 at 9:43 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed. Everything is wide open still. Hence, why everyone should keep an open mind and keep discussing traits and scheme fit.

Dude I have been...what he runs at Bama is in no way a closer scheme fit than what Wilson/Lance/fields run.

Jones is primarily out of shotgun, he doesn't run PA/Boots like kyle wants. All the other QBs do. That's literally the foundation of his passing game.

it was all RPOs and a third of his passes were screens. Yes he's great post snap at looking where to go with the ball, that cool and all. That's also a learned trait...he got go sit for 3 yrs and watch.

IMO you're not drafting Jones and keeping Jimmy. They're basically the same player.

In the DROP BACK game there are a bunch of similarities. In fact, Sarkesian was the Offensive Coordinator in Atlanta who replaced Kyle Shanahan. A lot of that remains in his drop back game.


Sark isn't running the same offense dude. It's a straight up spread offense at Bama.

I've seen a bunch of similar concepts. Simply stating RPO numbers — which is NOT the drop back passing game — is not describing the pocket passing concepts they utilize. Of course it is not a one to one. But it's closer than what Ohio State is doing.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Which scheme does Kyle run?

Foundation of his passing game is play-action under center/boots something Jones didn't do. He also runs a lot of choice routes with his WRs.

go read what offense Fields best fits


jones can run a boot, he just wasn't asked to at bama. he could certainly do it as well as jimmy.
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
I must have touched a nerve. Anyone can put two and two together. If you choose to ignore the obvious, that's fine. This has been discussed on other media outlets as well, so it's not just my opinion. Fact is, you can't prove any of it is racism, but I have the right to make my assumption based off the history of the league and the difference in how Fields and Jones are viewed.

I also have the right to share my opinion but when I did you told me I should go post somewhere else? It's 2021 not your grandpas NFL. Everyone has an opportunity and usually the best man for the job gets it. Plenty of examples at the QB position in modern day NFL to back that claim
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Which scheme does Kyle run?

Foundation of his passing game is play-action under center/boots something Jones didn't do. He also runs a lot of choice routes with his WRs.

go read what offense Fields best fits

I think the question should be "what scheme does Kyle want to run?". He can tinker his offense to what best fits his QB. If a young QB prospect is comfortable with more spread looks, as most young QBs coming out of college are, Kyle will accommodate and reduce the number of tight split formations that is currently in his offense.

What's currently missing from the SF offense is the ability to attack intermediate to deep without having to use playaction or schemed concepts. We think of WRs in Kyle's offense running around wide open, but that only happens on the schemed up shot plays, which occur maybe 3-5 times a game. The majority of pass plays (in all NFL offenses) are still traditional drop back, rhythm throws.
Originally posted by 49erbrass:
Ok lets talk about it then...

Mac Jones averaged 11.19 yards per pass which was good for second in the NCAA this year.

Justin Fields averaged 9.33 yards per pass

Mac Jones threw the ball 402 times compared to Fields who attempted 225 passes. So taking that into account Jones actually through the ball down the field much more than Fields while being able to maintain a jaw dropping 77.4 completion percentage.

53% of Jones' yards were after the catch...same as Tua.


34% of Jones passing attempts were at or behind the LOS. That will raise the old completion %

only 11% of Jones' pass came from outside of the pocket. Ton of max protection calls, they could send fewer guys out to run routes because they were so much better than anyone else.

Jones had more "open yards" according to PFF then anyone else in college as well.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Mar 31, 2021 at 9:55 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
That's why he's not gonna be the pick.

I never said he was going to be the pick. I dont think I have read anyone say that either. I personally think we get Zach Wilson somehow. its the only move that makes sense giving up that much draft capital imo.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Which scheme does Kyle run?

Foundation of his passing game is play-action under center/boots something Jones didn't do. He also runs a lot of choice routes with his WRs.

go read what offense Fields best fits

I think the question should be "what scheme does Kyle want to run?". He can tinker his offense to what best fits his QB. If a young QB prospect is comfortable with more spread looks, as most young QBs coming out of college are, Kyle will accommodate and reduce the number of tight split formations that is currently in his offense.

What's currently missing from the SF offense is the ability to attack intermediate to deep without having to use playaction or schemed concepts. We think of WRs in Kyle's offense running around wide open, but that only happens on the schemed up shot plays, which occur maybe 3-5 times a game. The majority of pass plays (in all NFL offenses) are still traditional drop back, rhythm throws.

Agreed I think adding elements/tools to your QB only makes the offense that much more dangerous.

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