Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
When you run a s**t ton of choice routes and someone's have to wait for a guy to break on a route 15 yards downfield....you're forced to hold the ball longer. Crazy I know. Why do you think he was never throwing balls near the LOS like Jones (a 3rd of his attempts were) THAT IS part of the scheme.

maybe talk about that?

you think Kyle is gonna force Fields to hold onto the ball that long in this scheme? NOPE

Ok lets talk about it then...

Mac Jones averaged 11.19 yards per pass which was good for second in the NCAA this year.

Justin Fields averaged 9.33 yards per pass

Mac Jones threw the ball 402 times compared to Fields who attempted 225 passes. So taking that into account Jones actually through the ball down the field much more than Fields while being able to maintain a jaw dropping 77.4 completion percentage.

I don't think we can use the tradtional Yards per Attempt stat to measure depth of target.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
53% of Jones' yards were after the catch...same as Tua.

Percentage of passing yards that came before the catch (air yards) for @PFF's top-five 2021 NFL Draft QBs:

Justin Fields — 70%

Zach Wilson — 62%

Trey Lance — 54% (2019)

Mac Jones — 47%
Trevor Lawrence — 43%

— Austin Gayle (@PFF_AustinGayle) March 31, 2021

34% of Jones passing attempts were at or behind the LOS. That will raise the old completion %

only 11% of Jones' pass came from outside of the pocket. Ton of max protection calls, they could send fewer guys out to run routes because they were so much better than anyone else.

Jones had more "open yards" according to PFF then anyone else if college as well.

You cant do a comparable without actually showing the other guys stats too... I can skew things one way too by only showing one of the players stats and not offering a comparable. The 49ers lead the NFL in YAC too, sounds like a good fit too me.

Originally posted by thl408:
I don't think we can use the tradtional Yards per Attempt stat to measure depth of target.

No you are right, we cant, but most of what im going off of is tape in my head. The numbers just support it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Agreed I think adding elements/tools to your QB only makes the offense that much more dangerous.

thought this was interesting

Mac Jones heat map looks an awful lot like Jimmy G's lol (Mac is still an upgrade). Primarily a middle of the field thrower pic.twitter.com/aOxkDdhJd1

— Rich (@richjmadrid) March 30, 2021

Justin Fields had more of a variety of passes to all levels of the field. pic.twitter.com/59zXo4BbYC

— Rich (@richjmadrid) March 30, 2021

Yay, we're trading up for a marginally better version of what we have now? Yeah, no. Insanity.

Originally posted by thl408:
I think the question should be "what scheme does Kyle want to run?". He can tinker his offense to what best fits his QB. If a young QB prospect is comfortable with more spread looks, as most young QBs coming out of college are, Kyle will accommodate and reduce the number of tight split formations that is currently in his offense.

What's currently missing from the SF offense is the ability to attack intermediate to deep without having to use playaction or schemed concepts. We think of WRs in Kyle's offense running around wide open, but that only happens on the schemed up shot plays, which occur maybe 3-5 times a game. The majority of pass plays (in all NFL offenses) are still traditional drop back, rhythm throws.

What was the exact line from Kyle that he said this season?? "You find a guy with the arm talent to be one of the best throwers on the planet and adjust to him" or something close to that.

This is where I go combo of most talented QB with the most ascertainable commitment to football. Take the most talented player that eats, sleeps, and breathes football, and let Shanahan do what he does.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Which scheme does Kyle run?

Foundation of his passing game is play-action under center/boots something Jones didn't do. He also runs a lot of choice routes with his WRs.

go read what offense Fields best fits

I think the question should be "what scheme does Kyle want to run?". He can tinker his offense to what best fits his QB. If a young QB prospect is comfortable with more spread looks, as most young QBs coming out of college are, Kyle will accommodate and reduce the number of tight split formations that is currently in his offense.

What's currently missing from the SF offense is the ability to attack intermediate to deep without having to use playaction or schemed concepts. We think of WRs in Kyle's offense running around wide open, but that only happens on the schemed up shot plays, which occur maybe 3-5 times a game. The majority of pass plays (in all NFL offenses) are still traditional drop back, rhythm throws.

It's a chicken/egg thing. Kyle will run the scheme that best fits the QB that is playing in his scheme. Philosophically I think he's more of looking for the knockout punch vs Walsh's jabs and counters. He's always looking for those explosive plays and throws away plays to set those explosive plays up. Air Coryell was a run heavy concept with deep strikes using the play pass, and schematically speaking, Kyle's philosophical scheme sure looks like an Air Coryell approach to me.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
This is what I find odd. So stay within the structure of the play as long as possible even if it results in incompletion or a sack? Isn't that pass rush dependent? He isn't going to have hours back there. Yeah I'm sure he processes fast, I've heard that enough times. Also have seen enough of Murray and Wilson evade the pass rush, improvise or take off running and convert a 3rd and 12. Would be nice to have that weapon in your arsenal.

It's third and twelve from our own 15, our quarterback with "Traits" drops back, but the pass rush splits, and our boy leaps forward for 12 yards and a First Down. The Crowd Goes Wild.

Shanahan barely sees it, because he's watching the safeties react to his routes just like he drew it up, and now after faking a block or two, he sees Kittle 10 yards behind everybody crossing the 50. But the play is over with Traits on his belly on the 27.

What do you think? Kyle happy, or Kyle sad?

Or Kittle is wide open yet Captain Pocket feeling a little NFL style pressure overthrows him by 6 yards (like at his Pro Day .) 4th and 12, crowd very unhappy. Or Captain Pocket just does have quite the protection he did with the best OL in college and gets up looking out his ear hole. 4th and 26.
Scenarios are fun.

Which one do you think Kyle is striving for?

Originally posted by 49erbrass:
You cant do a comparable without actually showing the other guys stats too... I can skew things one way too by only showing one of the players stats and not offering a comparable. The 49ers lead the NFL in YAC too, sounds like a good fit too me.

Fields had more air yards than any of the top 5 QBs, he wasn't dumping it off, clearly.

21% of Fields throws were from outside of the pocket...so he still made a ton of throws within the pocket.

You're wrong with YPA that has nothing to do with depth of target. fields was by far higher there.

If jones is the pick I will set my man cave on fire

Something that national media needs to consider is that maybe kyle doesn't want a similar mold that he has had for most of his career. We seen Kyle visibly frustrated when jimmy does questionable stuff on the field, we seen him get happy feet when there's pressure and turns the ball over. That's why there is no possible way that mac is the clear cut front runner. I just watched a video of jones and his production reduces dramatically when he is under pressure. Do you really think Kyle wants to deal with that again? I mean jimmy is a vet and he still has those problems, what makes you think that mac will all of the sudden get rid of that happy feet under pressure? Yeah our line has improved a lot with the addition of alex mack alone, but im still not convinced that were trading all the way up for a younger, cheaper jimmy.

But ill give the kid some props cause there are valid reasons why he is a top 10 pick now. Players love playing with him, he is a good leader, he plays well within a system similar to ours, he is accurate, he is a film junkie, he does something better than jimmy and that is throwing with anticipation. The thing about Kyle is yeah he has a certain scheme he loves to run, but he is a football genius for a reason. He can adapt to a QBs abilities, we have seen that with RG3. The problem with RG3 was that he reportedly was a headache with refusing to listen to coaching. I believe Fields is a guy to be willing to listen to coaches and get out of his comfort zone, and that's why I think he will be our guy.

Originally posted by BMoore56:
If jones is the pick I will set my man cave on fire

I was surprised and disappointed when we took Solomon Thomas over several players I coveted at that pick. That was a colossal failure. They take Jones and he is Jimmy G 2.0, this place is going to burn down.

I'm not so sure that Mac Jones is a 'system fit' for SF without having to project what he can do. Mac did not put many reps of throwing on the run on tape (designed rollouts), Kyle would have to project that. He did not put many reps of quick game passing on tape, Kyle would have to project that (quick rhythm passing, not RPOs). The one important aspect Mac has put on tape that is different than the other prospects being talked about is his ability to navigate a congested pocket. imo.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Agreed I think adding elements/tools to your QB only makes the offense that much more dangerous.

thought this was interesting

Mac Jones heat map looks an awful lot like Jimmy G's lol (Mac is still an upgrade). Primarily a middle of the field thrower pic.twitter.com/aOxkDdhJd1

— Rich (@richjmadrid) March 30, 2021

Justin Fields had more of a variety of passes to all levels of the field. pic.twitter.com/59zXo4BbYC

— Rich (@richjmadrid) March 30, 2021

Yay, we're trading up for a marginally better version of what we have now? Yeah, no. Insanity.

Right? The big knock on Jimmy is health...how do we know a 17 game starter in Jones will stay healthy? Dude is smaller than Jimmy. He couldn't play at the SB because of his ankle.

fields is a tank (who has 4.4 speed). Dude messed his knee up vs Michigan last yr, came off the field for a play. Threw a TD the next play.

fields was clearly hurt halfway through the Clemson game and still balled out...less then 100% and regardless of the outcome played pretty damn good vs Bama.

all put my money on fields staying healthy in SF vs Jones. Same with Lance.

Mac has a 0% chance of being selected #3 or higher.

It's funny people are nervous about taking the guy. I was alot more nervous about having to take him @ #12 than I am now that we're @ #3. Yet for many here, it's the reverse.

Originally posted by random49er:
Mac has a 0% chance of being selected #3 or higher.

It's funny people are nervous about taking the guy. I was alot more nervous about having to take him @ #12 than I am now that we're @ #3. Yet for many here, it's the reverse.

I'm nervous...