Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm not so sure that Mac Jones is a 'system fit' for SF without having to project what he can do. Mac did not put many reps of throwing on the run on tape (designed rollouts), Kyle would have to project that. He did not put many reps of quick game passing on tape, Kyle would have to project that (quick rhythm passing, not RPOs). The one important aspect Mac has put on tape that is different than the other prospects being talked about is his ability to navigate a congested pocket. imo.

I would say Fields is pretty damn good moving around the pocket as well

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Which scheme does Kyle run?

Foundation of his passing game is play-action under center/boots something Jones didn't do. He also runs a lot of choice routes with his WRs.

go read what offense Fields best fits

I think the question should be "what scheme does Kyle want to run?". He can tinker his offense to what best fits his QB. If a young QB prospect is comfortable with more spread looks, as most young QBs coming out of college are, Kyle will accommodate and reduce the number of tight split formations that is currently in his offense.

What's currently missing from the SF offense is the ability to attack intermediate to deep without having to use playaction or schemed concepts. We think of WRs in Kyle's offense running around wide open, but that only happens on the schemed up shot plays, which occur maybe 3-5 times a game. The majority of pass plays (in all NFL offenses) are still traditional drop back, rhythm throws.

It's a chicken/egg thing. Kyle will run the scheme that best fits the QB that is playing in his scheme. Philosophically I think he's more of looking for the knockout punch vs Walsh's jabs and counters. He's always looking for those explosive plays and throws away plays to set those explosive plays up. Air Coryell was a run heavy concept with deep strikes using the play pass, and schematically speaking, Kyle's philosophical scheme sure looks like an Air Coryell approach to me.

I agree with the bolded when talking about Kyle's world view of his passing offense. Being able to hit the deep shot is always in the back of Kyle's mind, and everything he does in the flow of the game is looking to set up that big shot. I think his ideal touchdown drive is run the ball, complete some quick passes, then when that efficiency is rolling, take the high percentage deep shot.

And Mac Jones is a quarterback who, in talking to another NFC general manager this week, said to me that the media does not have as high of grades on Mac Jones as teams do. And I asked him what he meant by that. And he said, 'Mac Jones has elite-arm accuracy. He is an elite processor of seeing how the play is going to unfold. He is an elite leader.'

"And that was how a GM from a non-NFC West team—not San Francisco—described Mac Jones to me. He said to me that his athleticism is as good as Matthew Stafford. He said that this is a guy that would've gone higher than the media forecasted."

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm not so sure that Mac Jones is a 'system fit' for SF without having to project what he can do. Mac did not put many reps of throwing on the run on tape (designed rollouts), Kyle would have to project that. He did not put many reps of quick game passing on tape, Kyle would have to project that (quick rhythm passing, not RPOs). The one important aspect Mac has put on tape that is different than the other prospects being talked about is his ability to navigate a congested pocket. imo.

Well just because its a rollout doesnt mean you have to throw on the run. Typically they reset off of the boot action. Only when the deep ball is covered do the check it down on the run but thats an easy pitch and catch.

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm not so sure that Mac Jones is a 'system fit' for SF without having to project what he can do. Mac did not put many reps of throwing on the run on tape (designed rollouts), Kyle would have to project that. He did not put many reps of quick game passing on tape, Kyle would have to project that (quick rhythm passing, not RPOs). The one important aspect Mac has put on tape that is different than the other prospects being talked about is his ability to navigate a congested pocket. imo.

Mac Jones will not be our pick. You can 100% bank on that. If we had stayed at 12 then absolutely he would have been in the discussion. Kyle traded up because he's identified at least 3 QBs who he believes can run his system, stretch the field horizontally and vertically, and have the chance to make plays when the play breaks down.

I've been posting the interview for months of KS talking about what he could do with a mobile QB. He's going to draft either Wilson, Fields, or Lance because they have the traits to be able to take this offense to the next level by using their mobility. We've even seen Kyle utilize Beathard's running ability for god's sake. So for any poster assume Kyle only wants a Kirk Cousins type QB shows you haven't really been paying attention.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

And Mac Jones is a quarterback who, in talking to another NFC general manager this week, said to me that the media does not have as high of grades on Mac Jones as teams do. And I asked him what he meant by that. And he said, 'Mac Jones has elite-arm accuracy. He is an elite processor of seeing how the play is going to unfold. He is an elite leader.'

"And that was how a GM from a non-NFC West team—not San Francisco—described Mac Jones to me. He said to me that his athleticism is as good as Matthew Stafford. He said that this is a guy that would've gone higher than the media forecasted."

What if that NFC GM was Ryan Pace (CHI)? Who cares what he has to say. Actually I do. Whatever he says, do something else.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm not so sure that Mac Jones is a 'system fit' for SF without having to project what he can do. Mac did not put many reps of throwing on the run on tape (designed rollouts), Kyle would have to project that. He did not put many reps of quick game passing on tape, Kyle would have to project that (quick rhythm passing, not RPOs). The one important aspect Mac has put on tape that is different than the other prospects being talked about is his ability to navigate a congested pocket. imo.

Mac Jones will not be our pick. You can 100% bank on that. If we had stayed at 12 then absolutely he would have been in the discussion. Kyle traded up because he's identified at least 3 QBs who he believes can run his system, stretch the field horizontally and vertically, and have the chance to make plays when the play breaks down.

I've been posting the interview for months of KS talking about what he could do with a mobile QB. He's going to draft either Wilson, Fields, or Lance because they have the traits to be able to take this offense to the next level by using their mobility. We've even seen Kyle utilize Beathard's running ability for god's sake. So for any poster assume Kyle only wants a Kirk Cousins type QB shows you haven't really been paying attention.

This is what I hope as well, but I am getting angry now to prepare myself for Jones. The other three have so much more potential.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
This is what I hope as well, but I am getting angry now to prepare myself for Jones. The other three have so much more potential.

A famous coach once said "Show me a guy that everyone says has great potential and Ill show you a guy who hasnt done anything"...

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

And Mac Jones is a quarterback who, in talking to another NFC general manager this week, said to me that the media does not have as high of grades on Mac Jones as teams do. And I asked him what he meant by that. And he said, 'Mac Jones has elite-arm accuracy. He is an elite processor of seeing how the play is going to unfold. He is an elite leader.'

"And that was how a GM from a non-NFC West team—not San Francisco—described Mac Jones to me. He said to me that his athleticism is as good as Matthew Stafford. He said that this is a guy that would've gone higher than the media forecasted."

Thanks Howie Roseman

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
This is what I hope as well, but I am getting angry now to prepare myself for Jones. The other three have so much more potential.

A famous coach once said "Show me a guy that everyone says has great potential and Ill show you a guy who hasnt done anything"...

But Fields has done quite a bit...

Originally posted by Giedi:
It's a chicken/egg thing. Kyle will run the scheme that best fits the QB that is playing in his scheme. Philosophically I think he's more of looking for the knockout punch vs Walsh's jabs and counters.

I totally agree.

That's that Al Davis lineage. Throw that thang deep and just win, baby.

Originally posted by thl408:
What if that NFC GM was Ryan Pace (CHI)? Who cares what he has to say. Actually I do. Whatever he says, do something else.

This lol.

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
This is what I hope as well, but I am getting angry now to prepare myself for Jones. The other three have so much more potential.

A famous coach once said "Show me a guy that everyone says has great potential and Ill show you a guy who hasnt done anything"...

And I'll show ya Mahomes, Allen, Watson, Wilson, Herbert, Rogers who all had top end potential but weren't finished products.

Originally posted by thl408:
What if that NFC GM was Ryan Pace (CHI)? Who cares what he has to say. Actually I do. Whatever he says, do something else.

I think it just supports that the NFL views Jones more highly than the internet draft media crew. If he doesn't go to the 49ers then I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Carolina or have the Patriots move up for him.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
But Fields has done quite a bit...

Most legit film against teams for any prospect not named Lawrence.