Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm not so sure that Mac Jones is a 'system fit' for SF without having to project what he can do. Mac did not put many reps of throwing on the run on tape (designed rollouts), Kyle would have to project that. He did not put many reps of quick game passing on tape, Kyle would have to project that (quick rhythm passing, not RPOs). The one important aspect Mac has put on tape that is different than the other prospects being talked about is his ability to navigate a congested pocket. imo.

Mac Jones will not be our pick. You can 100% bank on that. If we had stayed at 12 then absolutely he would have been in the discussion. Kyle traded up because he's identified at least 3 QBs who he believes can run his system, stretch the field horizontally and vertically, and have the chance to make plays when the play breaks down.

I've been posting the interview for months of KS talking about what he could do with a mobile QB. He's going to draft either Wilson, Fields, or Lance because they have the traits to be able to take this offense to the next level by using their mobility. We've even seen Kyle utilize Beathard's running ability for god's sake. So for any poster assume Kyle only wants a Kirk Cousins type QB shows you haven't really been paying attention.

There's no way that Kyle sees the success of these athletic QBs making noise around the league, and not want that for himself. I do believe he prioritizes a QB that will execute the play design as it's drawn up before resorting to the legs, but a coach would be crazy to not want a QB that has the ability to use his legs.

If Kyle drafts Mac, I will view it as a lazy draft pick. Lazy to have to work and coach any bad tendencies out of the athletic QB. Bill Walsh wasn't lazy when he acquired Steve Young. Walsh saw that Young used his legs too much, but also recognized that if he can harness Young's willingness to run, he would have the complete package once the project was complete.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think it just supports that the NFL views Jones more highly than the internet draft media crew. If he doesn't go to the 49ers then I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Carolina or have the Patriots move up for him.

I think, I don't believe a single thing a random source says about a prospect a month before the draft.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think it just supports that the NFL views Jones more highly than the internet draft media crew. If he doesn't go to the 49ers then I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Carolina or have the Patriots move up for him.

I think, I don't believe a single thing a random source says about a prospect a month before the draft.

This. Believe f**king nothing. Especially this year with all the hype surrounding the qbs.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

And Mac Jones is a quarterback who, in talking to another NFC general manager this week, said to me that the media does not have as high of grades on Mac Jones as teams do. And I asked him what he meant by that. And he said, 'Mac Jones has elite-arm accuracy. He is an elite processor of seeing how the play is going to unfold. He is an elite leader.'

"And that was how a GM from a non-NFC West team—not San Francisco—described Mac Jones to me. He said to me that his athleticism is as good as Matthew Stafford. He said that this is a guy that would've gone higher than the media forecasted."

It has been clear to many that he was never getting out of the top 10 for a while. He put together some of the best tape I have ever seen this past season. When you watch a player's entire season on film and the only thing anyone can find as a negative on him Is the fact that he is not mobile and he had an incredible team. That player is going to be drafted high. Add in the statistics he put up. The level of competition he played against. The undefeated season,. The national championship. I truly believe if we didn't make this move, there is no way he would have lasted past Carolina . I actually think he would have gone sooner as I think someone would have jumped them to draft him. So people thinking we could have gotten him at 12 are just wrong.

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm not so sure that Mac Jones is a 'system fit' for SF without having to project what he can do. Mac did not put many reps of throwing on the run on tape (designed rollouts), Kyle would have to project that. He did not put many reps of quick game passing on tape, Kyle would have to project that (quick rhythm passing, not RPOs). The one important aspect Mac has put on tape that is different than the other prospects being talked about is his ability to navigate a congested pocket. imo.

Well just because its a rollout doesnt mean you have to throw on the run. Typically they reset off of the boot action. Only when the deep ball is covered do the check it down on the run but thats an easy pitch and catch.

True that many rollouts require the QB to reset and throw. I still consider that throwing on the run because it's not off a traditional dropback, but you're right in pointing that out. The motion of running, resetting, then throwing is not something Mac was asked to do.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
But Fields has done quite a bit...

Not so much really, look what he did 2 out of his last 3 games against Alabama and Northwestern. Guess people have short memories around here.

Vs. Alabama on 1/11
17 of 33
194 yds
51.5 %
5.9 avg
1 TD
0 ints

Vs. NW on 12/19
12 of 27
114 yds
44.4 %
4.2 avg
0 Td
2 ints

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
This is what I find odd. So stay within the structure of the play as long as possible even if it results in incompletion or a sack? Isn't that pass rush dependent? He isn't going to have hours back there. Yeah I'm sure he processes fast, I've heard that enough times. Also have seen enough of Murray and Wilson evade the pass rush, improvise or take off running and convert a 3rd and 12. Would be nice to have that weapon in your arsenal.

It's third and twelve from our own 15, our quarterback with "Traits" drops back, but the pass rush splits, and our boy leaps forward for 12 yards and a First Down. The Crowd Goes Wild.

Shanahan barely sees it, because he's watching the safeties react to his routes just like he drew it up, and now after faking a block or two, he sees Kittle 10 yards behind everybody crossing the 50. But the play is over with Traits on his belly on the 27.

What do you think? Kyle happy, or Kyle sad?

Or Kittle is wide open yet Captain Pocket feeling a little NFL style pressure overthrows him by 6 yards (like at his Pro Day .) 4th and 12, crowd very unhappy. Or Captain Pocket just does have quite the protection he did with the best OL in college and gets up looking out his ear hole. 4th and 26.
Scenarios are fun.

Which one do you think Kyle is striving for?

I get which one he wants, lots of other variables beside who is at QB.

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
But Fields has done quite a bit...

Not so much really, look what he did 2 out of his last 3 games against Alabama and Northwestern. Guess people have short memories around here.

Vs. Alabama on 1/11
17 of 33
194 yds
51.5 %
5.9 avg
1 TD
0 ints

Vs. NW on 12/19
12 of 27
114 yds
44.4 %
4.2 avg
0 Td
2 ints

Short memories eh?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6629941002

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Short memories eh?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6629941002

A running QB injured again? You dont say?

Originally posted by thl408:
There's no way that Kyle sees the success of these athletic QBs making noise around the league, and not want that for himself. I do believe he prioritizes a QB that will execute the play design as it's drawn up before resorting to the legs, but a coach would be crazy to not want a QB that has the ability to use his legs.

If Kyle drafts Mac, I will view it as a lazy draft pick. Lazy to have to work and coach any bad tendencies out of the athletic QB. Bill Walsh wasn't lazy when he acquired Steve Young. Walsh saw that Young used his legs too much, but also recognized that if he can harness Young's willingness to run, he would have the complete package once the project was complete.

Agreed.

also, kyle has lost two SBs because his QB lacked the athletic ability to not get sacked and the other he watched a high trait QB make an incredible play on 3rd 15. Only QBs that have ever one a SB with a shanahan is Elway/Young.

he's watch guys like Murray, Wilson, Allen, and Rogers this yr give this team problems. He's also watched SF beat up on Jared Goff.

If San Francisco was actually interested in Watson like the reports suggest how do you pivot off that and say Jones is the guy? I'll bet money they could have had Ryan or Kirk for less if they really wanted that. They could have had Brady and said nope.

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Short memories eh?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6629941002

A running QB injured again? You dont say?

Pretty sure Mac Jones couldn't even play in the Senior Bowl because of an injury.

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
But Fields has done quite a bit...

Not so much really, look what he did 2 out of his last 3 games against Alabama and Northwestern. Guess people have short memories around here.

Vs. Alabama on 1/11
17 of 33
194 yds
51.5 %
5.9 avg
1 TD
0 ints

Vs. NW on 12/19
12 of 27
114 yds
44.4 %
4.2 avg
0 Td
2 ints

NW was a top level pass defense last year, Northwestern was top 20 in yds allowed, #1in yards per attempt, 4th in yards per comp, and 10th in INTs with 14.

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Short memories eh?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6629941002

A running QB injured again? You dont say?

Our non running QB has missed how many games?

Changing the argument when you're proven wrong. It's like the Webzone's pastime.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Pretty sure Mac Jones couldn't even play in the Senior Bowl because of an injury.

He played in all 13 games. Why would he risk injury in the senior bowl? Thats just bad business...

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think, I don't believe a single thing a random source says about a prospect a month before the draft.

Uness it fits your narrative right?