Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Rathof44:
NW was a top level pass defense last year, Northwestern was top 20 in yds allowed, #1in yards per attempt, 4th in yards per comp, and 10th in INTs with 14.

But it still isnt an NFL level defense...

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Our non running QB has missed how many games?

Changing the argument when you're proven wrong. It's like the Webzone's pastime.

He tore his acl running as a matter of fact. What am i wrong about? All I did was post his stats.

Originally posted by 49erbrass:
Not so much really, look what he did 2 out of his last 3 games against Alabama and Northwestern. Guess people have short memories around here.

Vs. Alabama on 1/11
17 of 33
194 yds
51.5 %
5.9 avg
1 TD
0 ints

Vs. NW on 12/19
12 of 27
114 yds
44.4 %
4.2 avg
0 Td
2 ints

How about you got watch that Bama game. DJ talking about that game yesterday and he thought he played damn good given what he had to work with.

Seems like all you care about is stats.

2019 Fields had 3,300 yards on 350 passing attempts with 41 TDs to 3 ints. Toss in almost another 500 rushing yards and 10 TDs with his feet. Competed 67% of his passes all while being towards the top in air yards (sorry no dump off to pad stats).

Originally posted by thl408:
True that many rollouts require the QB to reset and throw. I still consider that throwing on the run because it's not off a traditional dropback, but you're right in pointing that out. The motion of running, resetting, then throwing is not something Mac was asked to do.

And just like that breakdown video you posted...when he did have to move and reset his feet quickly his long base made him a lot less accurate.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
There's no way that Kyle sees the success of these athletic QBs making noise around the league, and not want that for himself. I do believe he prioritizes a QB that will execute the play design as it's drawn up before resorting to the legs, but a coach would be crazy to not want a QB that has the ability to use his legs.

If Kyle drafts Mac, I will view it as a lazy draft pick. Lazy to have to work and coach any bad tendencies out of the athletic QB. Bill Walsh wasn't lazy when he acquired Steve Young. Walsh saw that Young used his legs too much, but also recognized that if he can harness Young's willingness to run, he would have the complete package once the project was complete.

Agreed.

also, kyle has lost two SBs because his QB lacked the athletic ability to not get sacked and the other he watched a high trait QB make an incredible play on 3rd 15. Only QBs that have ever one a SB with a shanahan is Elway/Young.

he's watch guys like Murray, Wilson, Allen, and Rogers this yr give this team problems. He's also watched SF beat up on Jared Goff.

If San Francisco was actually interested in Watson like the reports suggest how do you pivot off that and say Jones is the guy? I'll bet money they could have had Ryan or Kirk for less if they really wanted that. They could have had Brady and said nope.

I agree, it's interesting how the trade was executed almost immediately after the Watson scandal came out. Watson was probably the dream scenario but trading up for a Wilson or Fields was the more likely plan B. The scandal just made it an easy decision.

Also consider that we could have made deals for more Jonesish types like Darnold or Wentz or Stafford (he's far better but you get the point) but we didn't go that route.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:
I'm not so sure that Mac Jones is a 'system fit' for SF without having to project what he can do. Mac did not put many reps of throwing on the run on tape (designed rollouts), Kyle would have to project that. He did not put many reps of quick game passing on tape, Kyle would have to project that (quick rhythm passing, not RPOs). The one important aspect Mac has put on tape that is different than the other prospects being talked about is his ability to navigate a congested pocket. imo.

Mac Jones will not be our pick. You can 100% bank on that. If we had stayed at 12 then absolutely he would have been in the discussion. Kyle traded up because he's identified at least 3 QBs who he believes can run his system, stretch the field horizontally and vertically, and have the chance to make plays when the play breaks down.

I've been posting the interview for months of KS talking about what he could do with a mobile QB. He's going to draft either Wilson, Fields, or Lance because they have the traits to be able to take this offense to the next level by using their mobility. We've even seen Kyle utilize Beathard's running ability for god's sake. So for any poster assume Kyle only wants a Kirk Cousins type QB shows you haven't really been paying attention.

There's no way that Kyle sees the success of these athletic QBs making noise around the league, and not want that for himself. I do believe he prioritizes a QB that will execute the play design as it's drawn up before resorting to the legs, but a coach would be crazy to not want a QB that has the ability to use his legs.

If Kyle drafts Mac, I will view it as a lazy draft pick. Lazy to have to work and coach any bad tendencies out of the athletic QB. Bill Walsh wasn't lazy when he acquired Steve Young. Walsh saw that Young used his legs too much, but also recognized that if he can harness Young's willingness to run, he would have the complete package once the project was complete.

Would he though? He just watched Brady's old ass win another Superbowl. Kyle went to two superbowls and probably should have won both with Matt Ryan and Jimmy G. Why wouldn't he want to go with what he knows and what has worked for him? Why not just draft a better version of what you already have. When you know you can win with that?

Everyone acts like non mobile pocket passers are some extinct thing and not still winning championships in the NFL. Would it be lazy to draft Peyton Manning over Michael Vick if they were both rookies? Who has the most upside is nice to think about and all but I will take the sure thing. The guy I know can already read defenses, go through progressions, process info fast and make sound decisions with the football.

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Our non running QB has missed how many games?

Changing the argument when you're proven wrong. It's like the Webzone's pastime.

He tore his acl running as a matter of fact. What am i wrong about? All I did was post his stats.

You tried to imply that all Fields is as a prospect is "potential" and yet he's played well against good teams many times.

Posting stats of two bad games of his doesn't disprove that original point at all.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How about you got watch that Bama game. DJ talking about that game yesterday and he thought he played damn good given what he had to work with.

Seems like all you care about is stats.

2019 Fields had 3,300 yards on 350 passing attempts with 41 TDs to 3 ints. Toss in almost another 500 rushing yards and 10 TDs with his feet. Competed 67% of his passes all while being towards the top in air yards (sorry no dump off to pad stats).

I have a serious question for you? Are you a Jimmy hater? Because if so you wouldnt let him get away with that type of performance in the biggest game of the year. So why does Fields get a pass?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
You tried to imply that all Fields is as a prospect is "potential" and yet he's played well against good teams many times.

Posting stats of two bad games of his doesn't disprove that original point at all.

2 of his last 3 games is very relevant dont you think?

Originally posted by 49erbrass:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
NW was a top level pass defense last year, Northwestern was top 20 in yds allowed, #1in yards per attempt, 4th in yards per comp, and 10th in INTs with 14.

But it still isnt an NFL level defense...

In 8 games fields played against 4 top 20 defenses.

Jones...1 in 13 games.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalldef/2020

Originally posted by 49erbrass:
2 of his last 3 games is very relevant dont you think?

It is relevant.

but so are his injuries and his career as a whole.

Otherwise how could you claim Jimmy G is a starter in the NFL based on this past season?

Originally posted by 49erbrass:
I have a serious question for you? Are you a Jimmy hater? Because if so you wouldnt let him get away with that type of performance in the biggest game of the year. So why does Fields get a pass?

I have a question for you: What's your original account and why did you feel the need to make a new one?

Originally posted by 49erbrass:
I have a serious question for you? Are you a Jimmy hater? Because if so you wouldnt let him get away with that type of performance in the biggest game of the year. So why does Fields get a pass?

Literally has nothing to do with anything...you're cherry picking stats and clearly didn't watch the game.

Fields was not the reason they lost. Dude was the only reason they were actually in it at one point.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

I have a question for you: What's your original account and why did you feel the need to make a new one?

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
In 8 games fields played against 4 top 20 defenses.

Jones...1 in 13 games.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalldef/2020

Have you looked at the top defenses? Mostly small schools with terrible competition.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
I agree, it's interesting how the trade was executed almost immediately after the Watson scandal came out. Watson was probably the dream scenario but trading up for a Wilson or Fields was the more likely plan B. The scandal just made it an easy decision.

Also consider that we could have made deals for more Jonesish types like Darnold or Wentz or Stafford (he's far better but you get the point) but we didn't go that route.

Yup it makes sense end of the day...you don't say plan A is Watson and plan B is use 3 1sts for Mac Jones lol i mean WTF