Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by thl408:Would he though? He just watched Brady's old ass win another Superbowl. Kyle went to two superbowls and probably should have won both with Matt Ryan and Jimmy G. Why wouldn't he want to go with what he knows and what has worked for him? Why not just draft a better version of what you already have. When you know you can win with that?
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by thl408:
I'm not so sure that Mac Jones is a 'system fit' for SF without having to project what he can do. Mac did not put many reps of throwing on the run on tape (designed rollouts), Kyle would have to project that. He did not put many reps of quick game passing on tape, Kyle would have to project that (quick rhythm passing, not RPOs). The one important aspect Mac has put on tape that is different than the other prospects being talked about is his ability to navigate a congested pocket. imo.
Mac Jones will not be our pick. You can 100% bank on that. If we had stayed at 12 then absolutely he would have been in the discussion. Kyle traded up because he's identified at least 3 QBs who he believes can run his system, stretch the field horizontally and vertically, and have the chance to make plays when the play breaks down.
I've been posting the interview for months of KS talking about what he could do with a mobile QB. He's going to draft either Wilson, Fields, or Lance because they have the traits to be able to take this offense to the next level by using their mobility. We've even seen Kyle utilize Beathard's running ability for god's sake. So for any poster assume Kyle only wants a Kirk Cousins type QB shows you haven't really been paying attention.
There's no way that Kyle sees the success of these athletic QBs making noise around the league, and not want that for himself. I do believe he prioritizes a QB that will execute the play design as it's drawn up before resorting to the legs, but a coach would be crazy to not want a QB that has the ability to use his legs.
If Kyle drafts Mac, I will view it as a lazy draft pick. Lazy to have to work and coach any bad tendencies out of the athletic QB. Bill Walsh wasn't lazy when he acquired Steve Young. Walsh saw that Young used his legs too much, but also recognized that if he can harness Young's willingness to run, he would have the complete package once the project was complete.
Everyone acts like non mobile pocket passers are some extinct thing and not still winning championships in the NFL. Would it be lazy to draft Peyton Manning over Michael Vick if they were both rookies? Who has the most upside is nice to think about and all but I will take the sure thing. The guy I know can already read defenses, go through progressions, process info fast and make sound decisions with the football.
But the choices that Kyle has to choose from in the upcoming draft does not include someone with Peyton's potential when he was coming out. I'm not a fan of saying "Brady won without being mobile so other QBs can too". Let's not use Hall of Famers as proof something can be done. Hall of Famers are always the exception. I prefer the QB that can execute at a high level from the pocket because that gives you consistency from the QB position. But given a choice of an athletic QB or a not so athletic QB, give me the athletic one.
When it comes to Mac and his ability to process, I'm not so sure he's head and shoulders above Fields, but for the sake of argument let's assume Mac is above Fields in this department, for now. If Kyle believes that with coaching, Kyle can elevate Fields' ability to go through reads, I think Fields will be Kyle's choice.
