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Mar 31, 2021 at 11:28 AM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Which scheme does Kyle run?

Foundation of his passing game is play-action under center/boots something Jones didn't do. He also runs a lot of choice routes with his WRs.

go read what offense Fields best fits


Stop with the bootlegs are a foundation. They aren't. At most, 35 snaps a year. PA is 25% of our offense. Mac has no issues with PA.

All of Mac's playaction is front facing (out of shotgun). At least from what I've seen. There's no reason to think Mac can't do it, but at this point in time, it is a projected skillset for Mac. Not all QBs handle turning their back to the defense (playaction from under center), then turning back to the field equally. Having to adjust your eyes back to the field and make a read is something that does need to be practiced until learned.

NY is lumping in bootlegs with PA. PA in Kyle's system is with his back to the defense within the pocket structure. It's not outside like a bootleg. Niners816 confirmed we ran PA 152 time (25%) with a high-end guesstimate of 35 bootlegs a year.

With a guy like Jones, you're probably going to run half those with him or maybe 50 with Jones. The PA with both would probably be the same (25% like every year). Add a few more RPO's possibly with Fields too.

PA is a staple of the offense, not bootlegs.
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 31, 2021 at 11:34 AM ]
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:29 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
What's subjective about defensive rankings? You act like he didn't play anyone and it's simply not true.

Well for arguments sake you could in theory play the top 10 defenses and still not play the best defenses. Who were those defenses playing against? The number one defense could be playing against 200th ranked offenses every week. The levels of competition are not equal like in the NFL where a Salary cap tries to be the equalizer.
[ Edited by 49erbrass on Mar 31, 2021 at 11:29 AM ]
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:29 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Stop with the bootlegs are a foundation. They aren't. At most, 35 snaps a year. PA is 25% of our offense. Mac has no issues with PA.

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Mar 31, 2021 at 11:31 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
NY is lumping in bootlegs with PA. PA in Kyle's system is with his back to the defense within the pocket structure. It's not outside like a bootleg. Niners816 confirmed we ran PA 152 time (25%) with a high-end guesstimate of 35 bootlegs a year.

With a guy like Jones, you're probably going to run half those with him or maybe 50 with Jones. The PA with both would probably be the same. Add more RPO's too with Fields tools.

PA is a staple of the offense, not bootlegs (yet).

This is a PA/boot this is a staple in Kyle's offense.

Mar 31, 2021 at 11:32 AM
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Stop with the bootlegs are a foundation. They aren't. At most, 35 snaps a year. PA is 25% of our offense. Mac has no issues with PA.

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Well... what's our outside zone run percentage? That's also part of it right? With Fields and Lance you will have to respect the possibility of a PA than with Jones or Jimmy G.
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:32 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
This is a PA/boot this is a staple in Kyle's offense.


Mar 31, 2021 at 11:33 AM
From Schefter...

"And Mac Jones is a quarterback who, in talking to another NFC general manager this week, said to me that the media does not have as high of grades on Mac Jones as teams do. And I asked him what he meant by that. And he said, 'Mac Jones has elite-arm accuracy. He is an elite processor of seeing how the play is going to unfold. He is an elite leader.'

"And that was how a GM from a non-NFC West team—not San Francisco—described Mac Jones to me. He said to me that his athleticism is as good as Matthew Stafford. He said that this is a guy that would've gone higher than the media forecasted."
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
NY is lumping in bootlegs with PA. PA in Kyle's system is with his back to the defense within the pocket structure. It's not outside like a bootleg. Niners816 confirmed we ran PA 152 time (25%) with a high-end guesstimate of 35 bootlegs a year.

With a guy like Jones, you're probably going to run half those with him or maybe 50 with Jones. The PA with both would probably be the same. Add more RPO's too with Fields tools.

PA is a staple of the offense, not bootlegs (yet).

This is a PA/boot this is a staple in Kyle's offense.


#5 was open in the end zone...guess it wasn't his first read.
[ Edited by jcs on Mar 31, 2021 at 11:34 AM ]
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:34 AM
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:35 AM
I'm taking Jones over Trevor Lawrence
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:35 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
This is a PA/boot this is a staple in Kyle's offense.


if this play is a "staple", then jones should have no problem running it, seeing as how jimmy is not a better athlete than jones.
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:36 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:

LOL. It's how they define a bootleg. You can run one step to your right or left off a PA and throw it and call it a bootleg. Like Jimmy does. But he's not sprinting 10 yards laterally to the edge looking to run or throw which is the skill set of a bootleg you're talking about with Fields.
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 31, 2021 at 11:40 AM ]
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Rathof44:
I get which one he wants, lots of other variables beside who is at QB.

Kyle talks at length of using combination of plays to get what he wants. He does throw away plays to get the defense to react how he wants them to. He does this to hit the big plays. So when he's thrown away 3 plays on the previous drive to train the defense to bite to get one guy behind them, he can't afford to have that guy drop the ball, he can''t afford to have his quarterback miss seeing the play, he can't afford to have his quarterback take off running before the play develops, and he can't afford to have the quarterback miss the deep throw. That's why he needs receivers that are more reliable than spectacular, why he needs a quarterback that is more reliable than spectacular, why he has to have the quickest minded quarterback possible le to keep up with his complex concepts, and why he needs an accurate quarterback, especially on the deep throws.

This is how Kyle plans to win us Super Bowls. I'm on board. You can fight it, but I think it's going to happen anyway.
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:38 AM
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I'm taking Jones over Trevor Lawrence

LOL. Let's not get too crazy here.
Mar 31, 2021 at 11:38 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

LOL. It's how they define a bootleg. You can run one step to your right or left off a PA and call it a bootleg. Like Jimmy does.

and those are grades, not number of times they ran it right or left. i dont see why jones cant do what jimmy did.
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