Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NYniner85:
This is a PA/boot this is a staple in Kyle's offense.

Justin Fields running the "flood" concept out of play-action with a boot. A concept that's a staple of the Kyle Shanahan offense.

Fields does a good job with the play fake, working through his reads, trying to extend the play, getting square and dumping it off. pic.twitter.com/DichHea6CS

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 26, 2021

The best part about this play is the naked side DE having to play contain stay home and can't crash down cause of Fields running threat. If people don't think that's a huge plus to help our run game then I suggest reading football 101.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I'm taking Jones over Trevor Lawrence

LOL. Let's not get too crazy here.

Next Tom Brady , maybe 8 SB rings and maybe marries Kendal Jenner so we can get a discount

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I'm taking Jones over Trevor Lawrence

LOL. Let's not get too crazy here.

Next Tom Brady , maybe 8 SB rings and maybe marries Kendal Jenner so we can get a discount

She'd never be into his bod though but she'd pay for his plastic surgery. LOL

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The Kyle Shanahan, play-action boot coming in strong at #2 on this list. https://t.co/55f7ytM5Nr

— PFF SF 49ers (@PFF_49ers) July 24, 2019

LOL. It's how they define a bootleg. You can run one step to your right or left off a PA and call it a bootleg. Like Jimmy does.

and those are grades, not number of times they ran it right or left. i dont see why jones cant do what jimmy did.

Right. Kyle usually has Jimmy in deep shotgun too so there's plenty of extra time to do it too and keep everything in front of him in case the bootleg edge gets cut off, he can still plant and throw.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
The best part about this play is the naked side DE having to play contain stay home and can't crash down cause of Fields running threat. If people don't think that's a huge plus to help our run game then I suggest reading football 101.

Absolutely. Like our DE's have to do with Murray, Wilson, etc. It's definitely an added bonus esp. if it can become a real threat without putting the QB in harm's way.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
if this play is a "staple", then jones should have no problem running it, seeing as how jimmy is not a better athlete than jones.

Again it's a projection, it's not just about being an athlete...it's about playing under center, giving the PA with your back turned, then throwing on the move.

He didn't do much of that, hence why some people say he's not the best scheme fit out of the other 3.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Right. Kyle usually has Jimmy in deep shotgun too so there's plenty of extra time to do it too and keep everything in front of him in case the bootleg edge gets cut off, he can still plant and throw.

plenty of variations of PA/Boot along with a straight PA then drop back. just in one game.

I feel like we see this a handful of times a game.

Being able to run a great PA is also harder than people think. You don't sell that hand off then the play is f**ked.


Like THL said you turn your back to the defense and then have to see everything again. I'm not saying Mac can't do this, but it is a projection. What he does overall in Bama isn't any more of a fit (less actually) then what Wilson/Fields/Lance do in there offense. AND they show that they do it well!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Right. Kyle usually has Jimmy in deep shotgun too so there's plenty of extra time to do it too and keep everything in front of him in case the bootleg edge gets cut off, he can still plant and throw.

I just charted the All-22 of Saints-49ers. Jimmy Garoppolo had so much success off play-action. He finished 10-for-13 (77%) with 186 yards and two touchdowns.

Jimmy G was sacked on two other PA dropbacks. Part of the #Vikings' scheme should center around play-action/boots. pic.twitter.com/O8CY7zyycY

— Daniel House (@DanielHouseNFL) December 30, 2019

plenty of variations of PA/Boot along with a straight PA then drop back. just in one game.

Both Asiasi and Keene have YAC skills and Stidham has the athleticism to execute bootleg play-actions. 12 personnel for the #49ers (two tight ends). Classic boot leg concept with the slide route and intermediate crosser. Plenty of grass for Kittle to catch and run. pic.twitter.com/wlKlFD0MuY

— Evan Lazar (@ezlazar) May 13, 2020

I feel like we see this a handful of times a game.

Being able to run a great PA is also harder than people think. You don't sell that hand off then the play is f**ked.

https://twitter.com/Abyrne44/status/1295356380329713665

Like THL said you turn your back to the defense and then have to see everything again. I'm not saying Mac can't do this, but it is a projection. What he does overall in Bama isn't any more of a fit (less actually) then what Wilson/Fields/Lance do in there offense. AND they show that they do it well!

You did watch how slow those are right? Mac has tape of him doing this as well (even though he didn't have to do it a ton) and his pro day was focused to show more of that specifically in hopes of dispelling that "statue" label in an under 20 minute workout (LOL). If you don't have to do that to be successful, why would you?

But of course, those plays would turn into RPO's with a guy like Wilson, Lance and Fields because that's a strength for them and an added play design for the OC.

I fully understand your take. I was just showing you what Kyle calls now and clearly, that would be a non issue for Jones.

Kyle would love that extra skill set though. No doubt!

Best part about this thread is that it's not about who is the best QB. It's about who Shanahan is going to like the most.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Best part about this thread is that it's not about who is the best QB. It's about who Shanahan is going to like the most.

Totally, which is why literally, everyone is on the table. You can make a great case for all of them and that's with the odds of finding a monster success being very low too. But IF they hit, you can look to add 5 more Lombardi's!

Alabama qb don't win Super Bowl

Originally posted by Rocket4989:
Alabama qb don't win Super Bowl

50 years ago they did !

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Like THL said you turn your back to the defense and then have to see everything again. I'm not saying Mac can't do this, but it is a projection. What he does overall in Bama isn't any more of a fit (less actually) then what Wilson/Fields/Lance do in there offense. AND they show that they do it well!

@1:05 of this video. Not from under center but it is a rep of him turning his back to the field to execute playaction.


From my limited viewing I'd say he was not asked to do a lot of this. Still learning.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You did watch how slow those are right? Mac has tape of him doing this as well (even though he didn't have to do it a ton) and his pro day was focused to show more of that specifically in hopes of dispelling that "statue" label in an under 20 minute workout (LOL). If you don't have to do that to be successful, why would you?

But of course, those plays would turn into RPO's with a guy like Wilson, Lance and Fields because that's a strength for them and an added play design for the OC.

I fully understand your take. I was just showing you what Kyle calls now and clearly, that would be a non issue for Jones.

Kyle would love that extra skill set though. No doubt!

This has nothing to do with athletic ability, I have no idea why it keeps coming back to that with you....Running and making throws outside of the pocket after your back has been turned is different then making a 5 step drop back and throwing to an open Smith all game. When he has to move and reset his feet his long base causes him to be less accurate overall too.

No there isn't really any tape of him playing under center and running PA/boots, not that I've seen. THL said the same. it's all RPOs out of the gun for the most part. Like THL said there wasn't many designed rollouts & quick passing game (rhythm passing not RPOs) wasn't really there either.

At this point some of the MOST important aspect of Kyle's passing game is a pure projection...it's not saying he can't learn it, but this narrative than he's some scheme fit is simply not true overall.