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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NCommand:
NY85 every night for a month.


NY85s wife is pregnant and should be sleeping on her left side not her right side.

Damn straight. Pregnancy pillows are the worst! I feel like I'm sharing my bed with another dude
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Looks perfectly fine.

Now this is a skill you actually can train on.

I wouldn't see Kyle doing many of these from under center either. Similar to Garoppolo.

It feels weird for every QB...turning your back to the defense, planting and throwing (hopefully to that wide open primary). It's definitely something Kyle would drill into him in practice given PA is 25% of the offense.

looked slow as s**t and had a wide open Smith per usual....it's about as learnable as understanding coverages and a playbook.

Since 2017 SF is 4th in PA usage at 37% and 3rd in the NFL at taking snaps from under center (52%). It's the main element to there passing offense. PA is also a massive part to their pass-pro. It all flows off that and the running game. You can't be projecting if a guy can do the most important part of your offense lol.



No one runs a better PA and PA/boot then lance in this draft

No, no it isn't. Good god, really? This is the depth you will go for this argument?

Have you ever played QB? Once again, learning PA boot is MILES easier than reading a coverage from the pocket because after you turn back around the following happen:

1. Your vision/line of sight is clear
2. Your read is simplified to half the field
3. Your read is now a sequential progression regardless of post-snap coverage ("if 1 is open throw, if not go to 2;" this is not the case on many if not most standard drop back pass plays, where the progression depends on coverage)
4. Your read is now simplified to a three level concept where everything is nice and spaced out
5. Every route is a movement route, which removes the necessity for timing

Like seriously, this is a ridiculous take. Teams would run PA-boot every play if they could, because they are some of the easiest things for QBs to execute. It's why efficiency numbers explode through the roof for guys like Jimmy on these concepts.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

You can say that you don't like the guy but I don't buy the argument that he doesn't have enough arm to make every throw in this offense.

"Why aren't more people talking about this dime."

Because Pythagoras. A 55 yard pass from the other hash is longer.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Mar 31, 2021 at 6:57 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NCommand:
This is NOT going to be a popular take. At all.

Sorry, I can't stand these two tools.

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

You can say that you don't like the guy but I don't buy the argument that he doesn't have enough arm to make every throw in this offense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NCommand:
NY85 every night for a month.


NY85s wife is pregnant and should be sleeping on her left side not her right side.

Damn straight. Pregnancy pillows are the worst! I feel like I'm sharing my bed with another dude

That's nothing . . . wait til the kid is in there with you, lol. Your peaceful dreams of Fields running PA bootlegs are over
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Damn straight. Pregnancy pillows are the worst! I feel like I'm sharing my bed with another dude

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Exactly. There goes the noodle arm argument. Even though It is clear on tape he has a very strong arm. They are trying to find something so hard to say why he is no good. But there is just nothing at all .

They cannot say he is unable to read defenses. That he doesn't make sound decisions with the football. That he doesn't have excellent footwork. That he is not able to process information fast. Why cause it is obvious to everyone that he is great at these things.

They cannot say he can't throw the deep ball. Because he has a better passer rating throwing deep than FIelds and Lance.

They cannot say he is unable to handle pressure. Because he has a better QB rating against pressure than Fields and Lance.

They cannot say he was not accurate because he completed 76% of his passes.

They Cannot criticize his stats at all. As he threw for the most yards in college football for 4500 yards.

They cannot say he turns the ball over too much because he has a 41 to 4 TD/Int ratio.

They cannot say he didn't play anyone. Because he played in the toughest conference in football the SEC.

They cannot say he didn't win. Because he went undefeated and won a national championship.

They cannot say he doesn't fit the system. Because he fits the system perfectly.

I have said for a while. All they can come up with is he is not mobile. BTW he ran a 4.8 at his pro day. And the fact that his team was stacked. Same as a bunch of these QB prospects everyone loves. I am sorry that is not enough to convince me that Mac Jones is not an elite prospect. Worthy of a top 5 selection.

I can say that he hesitates at times with wide open recievers. I can say he has under thrown multiple throws because of technique which to me means he doesn't have that pure high end arm talent. It is fair to say that his play looks like a guy that can consistently hit open recievers but, can he make things happen when the play breaks down and recievers are covered? I can say it looks like he doesn't feel the pass rush and he might get hit a whole lot more with NFL pass rushers coming around that edge.

Look I think it is reasonable to say if Jimmy didn't get injured at all while a 49er then we would not be even thinking about QB1 right now. So it stands to reason that if Mac Jones (has been compared to Jimmy) is a younger Jimmy without injuries that he'd fit right into the offense with no slow down in the teams trajectory. It makes sense.

However I don't think Shanny wanted to make this trade for more of the same. I buy the argument that he's looking at Andy Reid, Pete Carol, Kingsbury and others and thinking I want a guy that can bail me out when my play call doesn't work and guys aren't open. 3 ands in one sentence ugh. Anyways I want the guy. I don't want a guy that needs a whole dynasty around them. I'm not saying that's what Mac Jones is. I don't know what he is, none of us do. I do trust Shanny to groom the qb though. So I just think let's pair elite athleticism and ceiling with the best possible situation a rookie qb can have. Who is that guy?
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Originally posted by JTB1974:
Maybe this is Kyle and Lynch's master plan to get the fans back on Jimmy's bandwagon. We will trade two future 1st RD picks and draft a QB worse than him.

They have a 60% percent chance of doing so, according so some stats.

However, got to give them credit for making a very bold (and maybe reckless) move for a dominant QB. This takes a *LOT* of in yourself to do this. If anything Kyle is confident, bordering on arrogance, and as long as he stays on confidence side and doesn't cross the line to Arrogance, I'm good.
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Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Bro people were actual upset over Fields being a vegan. And are you acting like Mac Jones doesn't get brought up in the Justin Fields forum? I just don't think you like that you got called out for saying the receiver had to slow down for Fields pass but give Jones a pass. I just want consistency

Kap and Newton weren't the same players when they went vegas

Edit: vegan

Las Vegan! I think there is an all you can eat place in Vegas called that. It's all fake news and fake meat!
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Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

You can say that you don't like the guy but I don't buy the argument that he doesn't have enough arm to make every throw in this offense.

55 yarder rolling to left and throwing a dime.

But I thought he was a "fat" statue with a limp arm...at least that's what Ninertalk is trying to sell...

Exactly. There goes the noodle arm argument. Even though It is clear on tape he has a very strong arm. They are trying to find something so hard to say why he is no good. But there is just nothing at all .

They cannot say he is unable to read defenses. That he doesn't make sound decisions with the football. That he doesn't have excellent footwork. That he is not able to process information fast. Why cause it is obvious to everyone that he is great at these things.

They cannot say he can't throw the deep ball. Because he has a better passer rating throwing deep than FIelds and Lance.

They cannot say he is unable to handle pressure. Because he has a better QB rating against pressure than Fields and Lance.

They cannot say he was not accurate because he completed 76% of his passes.

They Cannot criticize his stats at all. As he threw for the most yards in college football for 4500 yards.

They cannot say he turns the ball over too much because he has a 41 to 4 TD/Int ratio.

They cannot say he didn't play anyone. Because he played in the toughest conference in football the SEC.

They cannot say he didn't win. Because he went undefeated and won a national championship.

They cannot say he doesn't fit the system. Because he fits the system perfectly.

I have said for a while. All they can come up with is he is not mobile. BTW he ran a 4.8 at his pro day. And the fact that his team was stacked. Same as a bunch of these QB prospects everyone loves. I am sorry that is not enough to convince me that Mac Jones is not an elite prospect. Worthy of a top 5 selection.

Great stuff, and great points. That makes me feel a ton better (I don't watch college ball) so I rely on the draft experts of the boards to tell me which way is up.

Thank you!
I too would ask Aquaman to save the day with Superman staring me right in the face
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Originally posted by jvangeystel:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Exactly. There goes the noodle arm argument. Even though It is clear on tape he has a very strong arm. They are trying to find something so hard to say why he is no good. But there is just nothing at all .

They cannot say he is unable to read defenses. That he doesn't make sound decisions with the football. That he doesn't have excellent footwork. That he is not able to process information fast. Why cause it is obvious to everyone that he is great at these things.

They cannot say he can't throw the deep ball. Because he has a better passer rating throwing deep than FIelds and Lance.

They cannot say he is unable to handle pressure. Because he has a better QB rating against pressure than Fields and Lance.

They cannot say he was not accurate because he completed 76% of his passes.

They Cannot criticize his stats at all. As he threw for the most yards in college football for 4500 yards.

They cannot say he turns the ball over too much because he has a 41 to 4 TD/Int ratio.

They cannot say he didn't play anyone. Because he played in the toughest conference in football the SEC.

They cannot say he didn't win. Because he went undefeated and won a national championship.

They cannot say he doesn't fit the system. Because he fits the system perfectly.

I have said for a while. All they can come up with is he is not mobile. BTW he ran a 4.8 at his pro day. And the fact that his team was stacked. Same as a bunch of these QB prospects everyone loves. I am sorry that is not enough to convince me that Mac Jones is not an elite prospect. Worthy of a top 5 selection.

I can say that he hesitates at times with wide open recievers. I can say he has under thrown multiple throws because of technique which to me means he doesn't have that pure high end arm talent. It is fair to say that his play looks like a guy that can consistently hit open recievers but, can he make things happen when the play breaks down and recievers are covered? I can say it looks like he doesn't feel the pass rush and he might get hit a whole lot more with NFL pass rushers coming around that edge.

Look I think it is reasonable to say if Jimmy didn't get injured at all while a 49er then we would not be even thinking about QB1 right now. So it stands to reason that if Mac Jones (has been compared to Jimmy) is a younger Jimmy without injuries that he'd fit right into the offense with no slow down in the teams trajectory. It makes sense.

However I don't think Shanny wanted to make this trade for more of the same. I buy the argument that he's looking at Andy Reid, Pete Carol, Kingsbury and others and thinking I want a guy that can bail me out when my play call doesn't work and guys aren't open. 3 ands in one sentence ugh. Anyways I want the guy. I don't want a guy that needs a whole dynasty around them. I'm not saying that's what Mac Jones is. I don't know what he is, none of us do. I do trust Shanny to groom the qb though. So I just think let's pair elite athleticism and ceiling with the best possible situation a rookie qb can have. Who is that guy?

If Mac is Jimmy 2.0 -- hopefully as the various posts stated and quoted here - he's more accurate than Jimmy, has a stronger arm than Jimmy, maybe a bit *faster* than Jimmy (which isn't saying much), but that's not a negative. He has a faster processor and quicker release than Jimmy. In other words, OK, I'll buy the Jimmy 2.0 version as long has the Jimmy 2.0 version is MUCH better in practically every area than Jimmy 1.0 version. I mean when Matt Ryan was operating that offense in Atlanta, it looked unstoppable. So far so good with Mac Jones (see the post by Bloodless).
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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I too would ask Aquaman to save the day with Superman staring me right in the face

Well, as long as krypotnite is there, Aquaman might be your best bet.
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I too would ask Aquaman to save the day with Superman staring me right in the face

Mac Jones = Aquaman and Justin Fields = Superman? Does that make Trevor Lawrence Darkseid and Zach Wilson is Wonder Woman?
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