Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
There is not a chance in hell that Jones would be there at 12. All five are going top 10.

I understand and do not refute this.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
There is not a chance in hell that Jones would be there at 12. All five are going top 10.

Sure. If a team was dumb enough to take Trubisky at #2 over clearly better prospects in Watson and Mahomes, it shouldn't be a shock that a team would be dumb enough to take Tubby McCorkle in the top 10.

At first I was then I was now I'm hoping to get to this

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Exactly. There goes the noodle arm argument. Even though It is clear on tape he has a very strong arm. They are trying to find something so hard to say why he is no good. But there is just nothing at all .

They cannot say he is unable to read defenses. That he doesn't make sound decisions with the football. That he doesn't have excellent footwork. That he is not able to process information fast. Why cause it is obvious to everyone that he is great at these things.

They cannot say he can't throw the deep ball. Because he has a better passer rating throwing deep than FIelds and Lance.

They cannot say he is unable to handle pressure. Because he has a better QB rating against pressure than Fields and Lance.

They cannot say he was not accurate because he completed 76% of his passes.

They Cannot criticize his stats at all. As he threw for the most yards in college football for 4500 yards.

They cannot say he turns the ball over too much because he has a 41 to 4 TD/Int ratio.

They cannot say he didn't play anyone. Because he played in the toughest conference in football the SEC.

They cannot say he didn't win. Because he went undefeated and won a national championship.

They cannot say he doesn't fit the system. Because he fits the system perfectly.

I have said for a while. All they can come up with is he is not mobile. BTW he ran a 4.8 at his pro day. And the fact that his team was stacked. Same as a bunch of these QB prospects everyone loves. I am sorry that is not enough to convince me that Mac Jones is not an elite prospect. Worthy of a top 5 selection.

I can say that he hesitates at times with wide open recievers. I can say he has under thrown multiple throws because of technique which to me means he doesn't have that pure high end arm talent. It is fair to say that his play looks like a guy that can consistently hit open recievers but, can he make things happen when the play breaks down and recievers are covered? I can say it looks like he doesn't feel the pass rush and he might get hit a whole lot more with NFL pass rushers coming around that edge.

Look I think it is reasonable to say if Jimmy didn't get injured at all while a 49er then we would not be even thinking about QB1 right now. So it stands to reason that if Mac Jones (has been compared to Jimmy) is a younger Jimmy without injuries that he'd fit right into the offense with no slow down in the teams trajectory. It makes sense.

However I don't think Shanny wanted to make this trade for more of the same. I buy the argument that he's looking at Andy Reid, Pete Carol, Kingsbury and others and thinking I want a guy that can bail me out when my play call doesn't work and guys aren't open. 3 ands in one sentence ugh. Anyways I want the guy. I don't want a guy that needs a whole dynasty around them. I'm not saying that's what Mac Jones is. I don't know what he is, none of us do. I do trust Shanny to groom the qb though. So I just think let's pair elite athleticism and ceiling with the best possible situation a rookie qb can have. Who is that guy?

I disagree with pretty much everything stated in the bolded. I think he reads the defense, processes info, and finds the open WR extremely well. His pocket awareness and ability to feel the rush and manipulate the pocket may be better than anyone in this draft. When receivers are covered he is smart and takes the check down. Like everyone sometimes he has to take the sack if everyone is covered.

I don't get the Jimmy G comparison. They are not even close to being the same coming out of college. Mac Jones is pretty much better in every aspect.

I am alright if people just want a running QB. It bothers me when people try to make stuff up about Mac or act like his game tape is not FIRE.Or act like It is somehow an insult to take Mac at 3

Yeah, some of this is pretty funny, given that literally every scout or analyst with any reputation at all says he's great at feeling the pocket and at quickly finding the open guy.

Fair enough but, scouts say what they say every year. They are wrong all the time. I'm just saying what I saw from a game or two that I watched. He is not as polished from what I saw as some pretend he is. Also to say he is just better then Jimmy is wrong. We don't know that about any of these QBs until they play in the NFL. I'm not claiming to be any expert. I'm just diving in because of how exciting this move is. I am only making this post to show I'm not making anything up. Dude is not perfect. The biggest thing that bothers me is he just doesn't have those play extending moments. Doesn't seem he can throw off platform. Maybe he's not hesitating and he just needs to reset and load up every time. I haven't been able to watch all his games so obviously I've got stunted information but I'm not a scout and have to run a business so that's what I got. Also not saying that he's not worthy of our pick. I just think Jimmy G can give us what Mac can besides health, age and salary. That doesn't mean they are the same qb either.

1st quarter 9:20 1st and 10: Out to Davonte Smith, by far one of his most impressive pass in this game. Between defenders, on target, in rhythm at the sideline.

1st quarter 6:17 1st and 10: This appeared to be him taking an extra hitch on my first watch. No end zone cam so it's hard to see. Now I'm noticing he was going through progressions. Also I don't think he knew the defender was coming in. Got it off just in time but didn't brace for impact at all.

2nd quarter 7:38 1st and 10: This is another example of him seemingly not knowing when that rush is gonna get there. I'd prefer he escape the pocket at this point. This is where I think he's the same as Jimmy G. Can not give you more from a broken play.

2nd quarter 6:43 3rd and 7: This is a good example. His guy breaks open and he's taking an extra hitch and hesitates just a little bit. Enough to cause imo the miss. Maybe he was banking on the extra man but he didn't even look that way and he should want that pass instead.

2nd quarter 1:02 2nd and 10: This is much better. Felt the pocket. Escapes and delivers a strike on the move.

There was plenty I didn't point out. Good passes, a questionable decision and what not. No point in nit picking everything that isn't perfect. Or pointing out a bunch of wide open passes.

I know this guy is rated well against the blitz, but from some of the limited plays I've seen from him. When teams get home with their front 4 this guy cannot evade pressure and throws some horrible balls. Devonte smith is a human highlight reel and torches everyone. You can' deny that helped him a tun

Originally posted by goatroppolo:
I know this guy is rated well against the blitz, but from some of the limited plays I've seen from him. When teams get home with their front 4 this guy cannot evade pressure and throws some horrible balls. Devonte smith is a human highlight reel and torches everyone. You can' deny that helped him a tun

It's easy to be good against the blitz or pressure when your primary target has a 5 yard cushion .

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
It's easy to be good against the blitz or pressure when your primary target has a 5 yard cushion .

Yet Fields wasn't

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
It's easy to be good against the blitz or pressure when your primary target has a 5 yard cushion .

what you should have said was, it's easy tp be good against the blitz or pressure when you can read it's coming and know where to go with the ball.

Originally posted by krizay:
Yet Fields wasn't

Just rewatched some of the title game. Just on the drive after Bama went up 21-14 Fields had 3 terrible reps almost in a row.
first of all, he made no pre snap reads whatsoever, was at complete mercy of his coaching staff.
He makes a good throw but almost gets his tight end killed. Literally, safety got ejected for the hit that caused the incompletion.
Then after being gifted 1st and goal, he overthrows his receiver who froze Surtain and had a clean release to the corner. Announcers comment on the overthrow.
Then he got locked on his first read and throws one right into Surtains hands that he dropped. Completely rushed.

That was one drive that really hurt their chances to beat the beast that was McCorkle and Alabama.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
It's easy to be good against the blitz or pressure when your primary target has a 5 yard cushion .

what you should have said was, it's easy tp be good against the blitz or pressure when you can read it's coming and know where to go with the ball.

Jones had the most yards to a wide open WR in the country . He had 700 yards more than the #2 guy.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
It's easy to be good against the blitz or pressure when your primary target has a 5 yard cushion .

Yet Fields wasn't

Mac Jones had the best rating when throwing to the 1st read .

2nd read and on he was last amongst the 5 QB s going in the first

I'm back on the Mac bandwagon.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I'm back on the Mac bandwagon.

Welcome back Mayo!

I dont want Big Mac Jones. But I've been wrong many times. So I'll just roll with the guy they pick.

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