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Apr 1, 2021 at 8:15 AM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:


Okay so what that tells me is no not really. Justin fields was pressured more than Jones and he only played 8 games compared to Jones' 13.
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:15 AM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees? The draft is a crap shoot. This is why I hate player comparisons, it articifically creates ceilings and floors for these guys. Not saying that's gonna happen but you gotta draft the guy you like and not who everyone else wants you to get. Not saying jones will be the guy or the next Brees, but im trying to put it in a rational perspective.

Fields is still my guy though

Is that a serious question? You know how this place works. The same people begging for those guys would pretend like they never actually liked them and call Shanahan the biggest moron in the world for passing on Jones.

Thats exactly why I'm posing that question we all have our hyperboles and overreactions during this time of the year, especially when a qb is involved. It's usually a reflection of what the immediate landscape is. I understand why people hate Mac, even I am indifferent with him. But all of these guys are 1st round talent for a reason. Heck maybe it turns out all of these guys are busts and all the talking points are moot. The draft is way too unpredictable to immediately dismiss mac cause he isn't flashy.
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:16 AM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's not so much that Fields is terrible at the mental aspects of the position (although he has been objectively bad at recognizing blitzes — something I was skeptical of a few weeks ago until I watched more of him). But that's not it. It's not Fields being horrid at the mental aspects of the position. It's that McKorkle is unusually good at the mental aspects of the position.

And it's something that can absolutely be coached. These prospects are like 20-22 yrs old. You're not drafting someone based on what they can do overall right now BUT what they can do yrs from now...it's a reason why Jimmy will be the starter and you let someone with a massive ceiling like Lance/fields sit for a yr.
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:17 AM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:


so fields was pressured at almost double the rate of jones
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:19 AM
Originally posted by goatroppolo:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:


Okay so what that tells me is no not really. Justin fields was pressured more than Jones and he only played 8 games compared to Jones' 13.

Right. Fields had 225 passing attempts and Wilson had 336 compared to 402 for Jones
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:21 AM
Originally posted by goatroppolo:
Okay so what that tells me is no not really. Justin fields was pressured more than Jones and he only played 8 games compared to Jones' 13.






He had a very good OL, but so did Zach Wilson, Lawrence and Lance. Jones handled pressure very well when it came.
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:23 AM
If they decide to pick Jones, I hope they trade back a few spots and get another pick.
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:27 AM
Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:
The age old question "can people change?" will finally be answered come draft day lol

Gotta learn from his mistakes. Who are arguably top 3 QBs in league? Mahomes, Allen, and Watson? All mobile QBs able to create outside the pocket. You'd figure after losing to Mahomes in SB and watching Allen completely annihilate the 49ers with ease he would be second guessing his QB theory. If Mac is the super computer everyone says he is then we should expect Peyton type ceiling. As much as they gave up for him, that's a reasonable expectation IMO. I'd be OK with Rivers/Ryan type ceiling, I'm think somwhere between Couch and Cousins.
[ Edited by Rathof44 on Apr 1, 2021 at 8:32 AM ]
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:28 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by goatroppolo:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:


Okay so what that tells me is no not really. Justin fields was pressured more than Jones and he only played 8 games compared to Jones' 13.

Right. Fields had 225 passing attempts and Wilson had 336 compared to 402 for Jones

I am less concerned about how often these guys got pressure and care much more about what they did when under pressure.

I like a lot about Fields but he did not play the best when under pressure. He had a 54.1 under pressure rating. Mac Jones had a 123.9. No Matter how you look at it that is not a good stat for Fields.
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:29 AM
Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:31 AM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.
Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:36 AM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.

To the moon Alice!

Apr 1, 2021 at 8:38 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
To the moon Alice!


It looks like he threw the pass, changed his shirt, then caught his own pass.
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:41 AM
Comparisons so far:

Wilson = Mahomes
Jones = Manning
Lance = Elway
Fields = ???
Apr 1, 2021 at 8:43 AM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.
Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.
See I am the opposite. I will take the safe-upgrade over Jimmy G. That is not to say I don't think Mac doesn't have a high ceiling. I do. I think Mac Jones is a plug-in day 1 upgrade over Jimmy. I like a lot about fields but he has a much higher bust potential than Mac IMO and I think Mac fits the system and what Kyle wants better. Lance, I am on record as not liking as the pick in the slightest. Huge potential, But Way too many unknowns and just a terrible level of experience.
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