Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Comparisons so far:

Wilson = Mahomes
Jones = Manning
Lance = Elway
Fields = ???

Fields=Steve Young, John Elway, Russell Wilson, Donovan McNabb, Jesus

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Comparisons so far:

Wilson = Mahomes
Jones = Manning
Lance = Elway
Fields = ???

Gotta aim high. Wait. Jones is Eli right?

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.

Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.

See I am the opposite. I will take the safe-upgrade over Jimmy G. That is not to say I don't think Mac doesn't have a high ceiling. I do. I think Mac Jones is a plug-in day 1 upgrade over Jimmy. I like a lot about fields but he has a much higher bust potential than Mac IMO and I think Mac fits the system and what Kyle wants better. Lance, I am on record as not liking as the pick in the slightest. Huge potential, But Way too many unknowns and just a terrible level of experience.

Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I am less concerned about how often these guys got pressure and care much more about what they did when under pressure.

I like a lot about Fields but he did not play the best when under pressure. He had a 54.1 under pressure rating. Mac Jones had a 123.9. No Matter how you look at it that is not a good stat for Fields.

I would also look at the systems tho. I'm no film expert but when watching these guys Mac Jones was given a lot of dump off plays, wide open receivers etc and very little absolute whiffs by his line. While fields had a bad o-line, long developing routes and from what I've heard a tun of choice routes.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.

Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.

See I am the opposite. I will take the safe-upgrade over Jimmy G. That is not to say I don't think Mac doesn't have a high ceiling. I do. I think Mac Jones is a plug-in day 1 upgrade over Jimmy. I like a lot about fields but he has a much higher bust potential than Mac IMO and I think Mac fits the system and what Kyle wants better. Lance, I am on record as not liking as the pick in the slightest. Huge potential, But Way too many unknowns and just a terrible level of experience.

Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

Are we talking about QBs or are we talking about lineman? I never liked the picks of Solomon Thomas or Mike McGlinchey picks. I didn't like anything about the pick of Solomon Thomas. Mike McGlinchey, I liked the player a lot but I did not want to draft a tackle that early that year. I don't want to get off topic here talking about lineman though.

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.

Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.

See I am the opposite. I will take the safe-upgrade over Jimmy G. That is not to say I don't think Mac doesn't have a high ceiling. I do. I think Mac Jones is a plug-in day 1 upgrade over Jimmy. I like a lot about fields but he has a much higher bust potential than Mac IMO and I think Mac fits the system and what Kyle wants better. Lance, I am on record as not liking as the pick in the slightest. Huge potential, But Way too many unknowns and just a terrible level of experience.

Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

Are we talking about QBs or are we talking about lineman? I never liked the picks of Solomon Thomas or Mike McGlinchey picks. I didn't like anything about the pick of Solomon Thomas. Mike McGlinchey, I liked the player a lot but I did not want to draft a tackle that early that year. I don't want to get off topic here talking about lineman though.

I'm just pointing out that safe picks can back fire miserably. Sorry the names that came to mind were linemen. But for players like Cooper he was called "the CANT miss prospect". Nothing in the NFL is a sure thing so why not go with a guy with elite traits that can't be trained or taught.

Originally posted by goatroppolo:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I am less concerned about how often these guys got pressure and care much more about what they did when under pressure.

I like a lot about Fields but he did not play the best when under pressure. He had a 54.1 under pressure rating. Mac Jones had a 123.9. No Matter how you look at it that is not a good stat for Fields.

I would also look at the systems tho. I'm no film expert but when watching these guys Mac Jones was given a lot of dump off plays, wide open receivers etc and very little absolute whiffs by his line. While fields had a bad o-line, long developing routes and from what I've heard a tun of choice routes.

I would agree with some of this. Particularly the system. There is the question if he was coached regarding the blitz as well. Not saying Fields being bad against pressure cannot be fixed. But one of the biggest things rookies struggle with is the blitz and pressure level of NFL defenses. So him not performing at a high level under pressure in college is definitely a concern for me.

please listen. Jones 49 mins into it about Jones.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.

Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.

See I am the opposite. I will take the safe-upgrade over Jimmy G. That is not to say I don't think Mac doesn't have a high ceiling. I do. I think Mac Jones is a plug-in day 1 upgrade over Jimmy. I like a lot about fields but he has a much higher bust potential than Mac IMO and I think Mac fits the system and what Kyle wants better. Lance, I am on record as not liking as the pick in the slightest. Huge potential, But Way too many unknowns and just a terrible level of experience.

Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

Are we talking about QBs or are we talking about lineman? I never liked the picks of Solomon Thomas or Mike McGlinchey picks. I didn't like anything about the pick of Solomon Thomas. Mike McGlinchey, I liked the player a lot but I did not want to draft a tackle that early that year. I don't want to get off topic here talking about lineman though.

I'm just pointing out that safe picks can back fire miserably. Sorry the names that came to mind were linemen. But for players like Cooper he was called "the CANT miss prospect". Nothing in the NFL is a sure thing so why not go with a guy with elite traits that can't be trained or taught.

If they're drafting to be safe, then why give up 2 future 1st rounders? If you want to be really great you sometimes need to take a chance. Sure it can backfire but so can the 'safe' pick. On the other hand, the risky pick with the high ceiling can give you a guy that will be a top 10 QB for the next 10-15 years. The safe pick will give you an average QB that's a game manager at best.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I'm just pointing out that safe picks can back fire miserably. Sorry the names that came to mind were linemen. But for players like Cooper he was called "the CANT miss prospect". Nothing in the NFL is a sure thing so why not go with a guy with elite traits that can't be trained or taught.

I agree that there is no such thing as a can't miss prospect. People have said this about some QB prospects before. Like Andrew Luck. But Mac Jones does not fit in that same category as Andrew luck. Nothing is a sure thing but there are players who are lower and higher risk. IMO Mac Jones is lower risk. I personally think Mac has a lot of elite traits in areas that are very important at the next level.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

So was Bosa.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
No more lazy than people claiming Jones is the next Peyton Manning

Or Wilson is the next Mahomes or Fields is the next Steve Young. Lots of Hyperball being played this time of year.

...and I love it. It makes the Webzone a lot less boring...

P.S. ShanaLynch is now saying that they are open to trading Jimmy if it's at least a first round pick. That to me indicates they are going with Mac.

I wouldn't say so, It might count out Lance though....Let's be honest if you can get a first out of him you take it. Maybe the kid takes his lumps, but getting the QB of the future and still having a first this year? That is a monster offseason. With the exception of Lance who is super raw, I think any of these guys could hit the ground running and give us something close to what a healthy Jimmy was and by playoff time eclipse him in many ways. That isn't a knock on Jimmy I just think that all three of Wilson, Fields and Jones either give us something Jimmy couldn't that we could use to hide their youth (Wilson/ Fields) or are can give us exactly what he did for a lot less money. (Jones)

Good point about Wilson and Fields (as well as Mac) being talented enough to operate this offense as a newbie. I can see Jimmy staying till the very last day of the trade deadline and rookie taking over after he's traded. If there is a team desperate enough for a QB to give up a number one pick, I would certainly listen to the offer also. Still, I think Jimmy is our best bet to get into the playoffs and go deep. As much as I do like Fields and Mac, I don't know if they can get it done in the playoffs as rookies.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
No sane person would take Jones over Fields lol. The only reason the media is pushing it is because of how controversial it would be. People love to look at train wrecks and taking Jones at #3 would make us the biggest train wreck in the league.

I tend to agree, but looking at some of Jones scrambling impressed me with his athleticism. I thought he was basically a statue back there, but in actuality he's a pretty mobile athlete. No way near Fields, Lance or Wilson - but serviceable if he had to escape a rush. He's not going to do a Colin Kaepernick and get you a touchdown, but he might get you a couple of yards and avoid a loss of yards, and get you into a second and 5 or third and one.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

So was Bosa.

Okay.....

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.

Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.

See I am the opposite. I will take the safe-upgrade over Jimmy G. That is not to say I don't think Mac doesn't have a high ceiling. I do. I think Mac Jones is a plug-in day 1 upgrade over Jimmy. I like a lot about fields but he has a much higher bust potential than Mac IMO and I think Mac fits the system and what Kyle wants better. Lance, I am on record as not liking as the pick in the slightest. Huge potential, But Way too many unknowns and just a terrible level of experience.

Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

Are we talking about QBs or are we talking about lineman? I never liked the picks of Solomon Thomas or Mike McGlinchey picks. I didn't like anything about the pick of Solomon Thomas. Mike McGlinchey, I liked the player a lot but I did not want to draft a tackle that early that year. I don't want to get off topic here talking about lineman though.

I'm just pointing out that safe picks can back fire miserably. Sorry the names that came to mind were linemen. But for players like Cooper he was called "the CANT miss prospect". Nothing in the NFL is a sure thing so why not go with a guy with elite traits that can't be trained or taught.

If they're drafting to be safe, then why give up 2 future 1st rounders? If you want to be really great you sometimes need to take a chance. Sure it can backfire but so can the 'safe' pick. On the other hand, the risky pick with the high ceiling can give you a guy that will be a top 10 QB for the next 10-15 years. The safe pick will give you an average QB that's a game manager at best.

Again, I think Mac Jones does have a high ceiling. The whole high Ceiling thing is overplayed anyways. Brady has hit the highest ceiling ever in the NFL and he is not a mobile QB. A guy people would have said did not have a high ceiling. I think Mac Jones is the most pro-ready and has the least bust potential. I think he is an instant upgrade and he will have a long good career in the NFL. You can go trying to chase rainbows trying to find the guy who runs like Michael Vick and who can throw from the pocket like Peyton Manning. I will take the guy who is safest to be a really good QB.