Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

GIVE ME MAC OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!! Or something like that

Originally posted by braap49er:
GIVE ME MAC OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!! Or something like that

Stop

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees? The draft is a crap shoot. This is why I hate player comparisons, it articifically creates ceilings and floors for these guys. Not saying that's gonna happen but you gotta draft the guy you like and not who everyone else wants you to get. Not saying jones will be the guy or the next Brees, but im trying to put it in a rational perspective.

Fields is still my guy though

Same, but Mac is my 2nd, and he's gaining on Fields as time goes on in my personal view. Kyle has to make the ultimate decision, not John, not Peters. Kyle is the one that has to coach the rookie up and design the offense around him. I just hope Kyle listens to everybody and makes sure he's turned over every stone and investigated every closet and looked at all the dead bodies in their respective rookie closets before making the final decision.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
No more lazy than people claiming Jones is the next Peyton Manning

lol haven't heard that one

Actually I believe the exact quote was "he is Peyton Manning, but more athletic"..lol Implication being he will be better than Peyton

LOL wow. From the start, I always said that Mac's ceiling is Matt Ryan. I still stand by that.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Uh oh. JTO'S has fields over Mac Jones and says he wouldn't understand trading up to 3 for mac

Anyway, why are there still matter-of-factly posts being made that fields wont be able/won't agree to run Kyle's offense, and that only Mac Jones will be an "extension" of Shanny? Why are there still posts that Fields is a only a running QB?

Lazy "analysis" from people that dont watch the college game and then says "hes an Ohio St QB, ewwwww"

It's not so much that Fields is terrible at the mental aspects of the position (although he has been objectively bad at recognizing blitzes — something I was skeptical of a few weeks ago until I watched more of him). But that's not it. It's not Fields being horrid at the mental aspects of the position. It's that McKorkle is unusually good at the mental aspects of the position.

Wow, that's not an observation I've run into before.

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
No sane person would take Jones over Fields lol. The only reason the media is pushing it is because of how controversial it would be. People love to look at train wrecks and taking Jones at #3 would make us the biggest train wreck in the league.

Totally agree! I think we could end up looking dumber than the bears when they took Trubisky over Watson and Mahomes. I've been wrong before, but I don't like Mac Jones at #3 after giving up so much!

It's a huge decision for the franchise. I'm just glad they have a whole month to really make a good decision. As one of the talking heads pointed out, if Kyle can make Jimmy look like a starting QB, imagine what he can do with an actual starting material QB. Any of the three guys (Fields, Mac, or Lance) I think are starting material QB's and this franchise will be fine with any of the three -- all that's to be decided is *how* the offense evolves. Is the offense going to be the same old, same old - with Mac, or a more dynamic offense like the '94 49ers with the addition of RPO's and Scramble Drills.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
No sane person would take Jones over Fields lol. The only reason the media is pushing it is because of how controversial it would be. People love to look at train wrecks and taking Jones at #3 would make us the biggest train wreck in the league.

Totally agree! I think we could end up looking dumber than the bears when they took Trubisky over Watson and Mahomes. I've been wrong before, but I don't like Mac Jones at #3 after giving up so much!

It's a huge decision for the franchise. I'm just glad they have a whole month to really make a good decision. As one of the talking heads pointed out, if Kyle can make Jimmy look like a starting QB, imagine what he can do with an actual starting material QB. Any of the three guys (Fields, Mac, or Lance) I think are starting material QB's and this franchise will be fine with any of the three -- all that's to be decided is *how* the offense evolves. Is the offense going to be the same old, same old - with Mac, or a more dynamic offense like the '94 49ers with the addition of RPO's and Scramble Drills.

lol you changed your tune quickly on Jimmy. from a top 10 QB / FQB to now he's just not even starting material QB.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by braap49er:
GIVE ME MAC OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!! Or something like that

Stop

No keep going, I'm almost there...

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees? The draft is a crap shoot. This is why I hate player comparisons, it articifically creates ceilings and floors for these guys. Not saying that's gonna happen but you gotta draft the guy you like and not who everyone else wants you to get. Not saying jones will be the guy or the next Brees, but im trying to put it in a rational perspective.

Fields is still my guy though

Is that a serious question? You know how this place works. The same people begging for those guys would pretend like they never actually liked them and call Shanahan the biggest moron in the world for passing on Jones.

Thats exactly why I'm posing that question we all have our hyperboles and overreactions during this time of the year, especially when a qb is involved. It's usually a reflection of what the immediate landscape is. I understand why people hate Mac, even I am indifferent with him. But all of these guys are 1st round talent for a reason. Heck maybe it turns out all of these guys are busts and all the talking points are moot. The draft is way too unpredictable to immediately dismiss mac cause he isn't flashy.

I don't think any of the three will be busts if Kyle is the coach. They may do better in other organizations, but they can't do worse in Kyles offense. Jimmy is a good QB, imagine what Kyle can do with any of the three QB's (which I think are all superior athletically to Jimmy) on his Radar. He'll surround the rookie with good players and a good sound offensive scheme that will make him look really good.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

So was Bosa.

Okay.....

Damn you got told.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
It's easy to be good against the blitz or pressure when your primary target has a 5 yard cushion .

what you should have said was, it's easy tp be good against the blitz or pressure when you can read it's coming and know where to go with the ball.

Jones had the most yards to a wide open WR in the country . He had 700 yards more than the #2 guy.

As I stated before. He had 1000+ yards more than the #3 guy. So yes he had more yards to open WRs. He also likely had more yards to "unopen" WRs too.

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.

Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.

See I am the opposite. I will take the safe-upgrade over Jimmy G. That is not to say I don't think Mac doesn't have a high ceiling. I do. I think Mac Jones is a plug-in day 1 upgrade over Jimmy. I like a lot about fields but he has a much higher bust potential than Mac IMO and I think Mac fits the system and what Kyle wants better. Lance, I am on record as not liking as the pick in the slightest. Huge potential, But Way too many unknowns and just a terrible level of experience.

Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

Are we talking about QBs or are we talking about lineman? I never liked the picks of Solomon Thomas or Mike McGlinchey picks. I didn't like anything about the pick of Solomon Thomas. Mike McGlinchey, I liked the player a lot but I did not want to draft a tackle that early that year. I don't want to get off topic here talking about lineman though.

I'm just pointing out that safe picks can back fire miserably. Sorry the names that came to mind were linemen. But for players like Cooper he was called "the CANT miss prospect". Nothing in the NFL is a sure thing so why not go with a guy with elite traits that can't be trained or taught.

If they're drafting to be safe, then why give up 2 future 1st rounders? If you want to be really great you sometimes need to take a chance. Sure it can backfire but so can the 'safe' pick. On the other hand, the risky pick with the high ceiling can give you a guy that will be a top 10 QB for the next 10-15 years. The safe pick will give you an average QB that's a game manager at best.

Again, I think Mac Jones does have a high ceiling. The whole high Ceiling thing is overplayed anyways. Brady has hit the highest ceiling ever in the NFL and he is not a mobile QB. A guy people would have said did not have a high ceiling. I think Mac Jones is the most pro-ready and has the least bust potential. I think he is an instant upgrade and he will have a long good career in the NFL. You can go trying to chase rainbows trying to find the guy who runs like Michael Vick and who can throw from the pocket like Peyton Manning. I will take the guy who is safest to be a really good QB.

BRady is exception to rule. A 6th round pick, no floor and no ceiling......a lottery ticket. The likes of which will never happen again. It just won't. So if you were starting a NFL franchise today what would be top 5 QBs you would take (age dependent): Mahomes, Allen, Watson, Herbert, and Burrow. No pure pocket passer in that lot (Herbert rushing 255/5, Burrow 370/5 in 2019.) You could throw Wilson in that mix, same story.

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.

Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.

See I am the opposite. I will take the safe-upgrade over Jimmy G. That is not to say I don't think Mac doesn't have a high ceiling. I do. I think Mac Jones is a plug-in day 1 upgrade over Jimmy. I like a lot about fields but he has a much higher bust potential than Mac IMO and I think Mac fits the system and what Kyle wants better. Lance, I am on record as not liking as the pick in the slightest. Huge potential, But Way too many unknowns and just a terrible level of experience.

Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

Are we talking about QBs or are we talking about lineman? I never liked the picks of Solomon Thomas or Mike McGlinchey picks. I didn't like anything about the pick of Solomon Thomas. Mike McGlinchey, I liked the player a lot but I did not want to draft a tackle that early that year. I don't want to get off topic here talking about lineman though.

I'm just pointing out that safe picks can back fire miserably. Sorry the names that came to mind were linemen. But for players like Cooper he was called "the CANT miss prospect". Nothing in the NFL is a sure thing so why not go with a guy with elite traits that can't be trained or taught.

If they're drafting to be safe, then why give up 2 future 1st rounders? If you want to be really great you sometimes need to take a chance. Sure it can backfire but so can the 'safe' pick. On the other hand, the risky pick with the high ceiling can give you a guy that will be a top 10 QB for the next 10-15 years. The safe pick will give you an average QB that's a game manager at best.

Again, I think Mac Jones does have a high ceiling. The whole high Ceiling thing is overplayed anyways. Brady has hit the highest ceiling ever in the NFL and he is not a mobile QB. A guy people would have said did not have a high ceiling. I think Mac Jones is the most pro-ready and has the least bust potential. I think he is an instant upgrade and he will have a long good career in the NFL. You can go trying to chase rainbows trying to find the guy who runs like Michael Vick and who can throw from the pocket like Peyton Manning. I will take the guy who is safest to be a really good QB.

I agree about comparisons and ceilings. Comparing one to another - is a good thing from a scouting point of view, but gauging how a player will do long term vs short term, I don't think any kind of comparison are going to get you accurate long term projections. What's more important is the situation the rookie finds himself in, the kind of coach he gets, the kind of players that surround him. I think those are better long term predictors than comparing him to Brady, Manning, or Steve Young.

Mac Jones is very polished and can most likely come onto our team and keep that offense moving with hardly a hiccup. BUUUUT, teams don't mortgage the future for Tom Brady talent. They do it for a QB that has the possibility to do unworldly things.

Mac at 3 just doesn't make sense. I mean, do we think NE would have jumped us for Mac so we decided to put our faith in our own hands even if it is for a QB that we can get in Free Agency? Think about it, we can get a 5-year veteran QB in free agency that also knows how to dissect defenses.

NFL teams when we draft Mac Jones:

• "Whew, thank god we don't need to deal with a multi-dimensional threat vs the 49ers. They are tough enough to plan for as is.

NFL teams when we draft Fields or Lance:

• "f**k! How the hell do we stop this offense now? We could hope on crap QB play before."