Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The talent is relative. Yes the Jets have more talent than Alabama but not relative to their competition. Alabama dominates. The Jets barely compete.

Which was the only point in question AFAIC.

Originally posted by genus49:

Dude isn't flashy but impressive ball placement.

People fall in love with flashiness too often. Was Tom Brady ever flashy? I worry about QBs on stacked teams that almost never have a competitive game their whole career.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I wouldn't mind him. Look at herbert. Everyone was going crazy about burrow. Herbert had a better rookie season. I think.

Most people were focused on burrow last year, just like lawrence and Wilson this year. The highest rated prospect didn't necessarily mean best nfl career.

Burrow was pretty damn good. He had to go up against much better defenses than Herbert, and his surrounding players aren't as good as Herberts. Plus, Burrows started right away and Herbert got a little more time to get acclimated. Getting shut out by the horrible Patriots wasn't impressive.

Yeah, it's Cohn and some dude I don't know, but everything they say about Kyle is true. This is why I believe Mac Jones is a heavy favorite to be a 49er this April.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Yeah, it's Cohn and some dude I don't know, but everything they say about Kyle is true. This is why I believe Mac Jones is a heavy favorite to be a 49er this April.

Sounds insane but Cohn's SI videos have been my guilty pleasure lately, he's low key funny lol

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Yeah, it's Cohn and some dude I don't know, but everything they say about Kyle is true. This is why I believe Mac Jones is a heavy favorite to be a 49er this April.

Sounds insane but Cohn's SI videos have been my guilty pleasure lately, he's low key funny lol

Take it back

Originally posted by Heroism:

Yeah, it's Cohn and some dude I don't know, but everything they say about Kyle is true. This is why I believe Mac Jones is a heavy favorite to be a 49er this April.

I mean the sample size is so small on "Kyle's type" at QB that's it's hard to just assume he's gonna like so and so over so and so imo.

We also thought kyle had a "type" at WR which turns out to not really be true either.

That's not me taking a shot at Jones either...I think he's a solid QB prospect.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean the sample size is so small on "Kyle's type" at QB that's it's hard to just assume he's gonna like so and so over so and so imo.

We also thought kyle had a "type" at WR which turns out to not really be true either.

That's not me taking a shot at Jones either...I think he's a solid QB prospect.

Well, he didn't really deviate from his type. His type has always been guys that separate, and he's stated many times that there are multiple ways of separating(ie speed, toughness, size, etc.) What he's done is emphasize toughness and YAC in his most recent drafts, but the overarching belief in separation remains.

I think if we do draft a QB, it's still going to be someone that is extremely tough and stays on-schedule from within the pocket because those are some of the main traits that Kyle wants in his QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean the sample size is so small on "Kyle's type" at QB that's it's hard to just assume he's gonna like so and so over so and so imo.

We also thought kyle had a "type" at WR which turns out to not really be true either.

That's not me taking a shot at Jones either...I think he's a solid QB prospect.

how is it a small sample size? He wanted to start Cousins over RGIII. He wanted to Start Hoyer over Manziel. He wanted Matt Schaub to come with him here over Kaepernick. He ultimately settled on Brian Hoyer over Kaepernick He passed on Mahomes and Watson because he wanted Cousins. He drafted CJ Beathard because he reminded him of Cousins.

I mean that's a big sample size IMO. They all seem to be the same type of dude

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I mean the sample size is so small on "Kyle's type" at QB that's it's hard to just assume he's gonna like so and so over so and so imo.

We also thought kyle had a "type" at WR which turns out to not really be true either.

That's not me taking a shot at Jones either...I think he's a solid QB prospect.

how is it a small sample size? He wanted to start Cousins over RGIII. He wanted to Start Hoyer over Manziel. He wanted Matt Schaub to come with him here over Kaepernick. He ultimately settled on Brian Hoyer over Kaepernick He passed on Mahomes and Watson because he wanted Cousins. He drafted CJ Beathard because he reminded him of Cousins.

I mean that's a big sample size IMO. They all seem to be the same type of dude

Kaepernick opted out of his contract. The other points are valid.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Well, he didn't really deviate from his type. His type has always been guys that separate, and he's stated many times that there are multiple ways of separating(ie speed, toughness, size, etc.) What he's done is emphasize toughness and YAC in his most recent drafts, but the overarching belief in separation remains.

I think if we do draft a QB, it's still going to be someone that is extremely tough and stays on-schedule from within the pocket because those are some of the main traits that Kyle wants in his QB.

I wouldn't really say Deebo is a top end separator or Hurd (or DK who simms said Kyle was gonna take if he fell to the 3rd).

As far as QB and those two traits you said, I would think that's a pretty solid requirement for a lot of coaches. I wouldn't say really any of the QBs in the top of the draft don't check those boxes either.

Originally posted by DASeiler49:

Kaepernick opted out of his contract. The other points are valid.

He opted out because he was going to get cut otherwise.

Originally posted by krizay:

how is it a small sample size? He wanted to start Cousins over RGIII. He wanted to Start Hoyer over Manziel. He wanted Matt Schaub to come with him here over Kaepernick. He ultimately settled on Brian Hoyer over Kaepernick He passed on Mahomes and Watson because he wanted Cousins. He drafted CJ Beathard because he reminded him of Cousins.

I mean that's a big sample size IMO. They all seem to be the same type of dude

Dude he's actually been the decision maker for going on 4 yrs lol. He wasn't the decision maker in Houston/Cleveland/ATL or DC.

He had a higher grade on Carr/JG vs manziel reportedly. He had a high grade on Russel Wilson as well.

Kap isn't accurate enough to run this passing offense. Imo he couldn't read coverages well enough. It has zero to do with being an athlete lol.

He's stated (and I've told you this) he simply didn't evaluate QBs like he should have in 2017. He even said this...he said it's not often you have a great chance at getting a young FQB who already knows the scheme. That was the plan right/wrong.

If you think kyle just wants a statue at QB, then you're gonna be wrong.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
how is it a small sample size? He wanted to start Cousins over RGIII. He wanted to Start Hoyer over Manziel. He wanted Matt Schaub to come with him here over Kaepernick. He ultimately settled on Brian Hoyer over Kaepernick He passed on Mahomes and Watson because he wanted Cousins. He drafted CJ Beathard because he reminded him of Cousins.

I mean that's a big sample size IMO. They all seem to be the same type of dude

Dude he's actually been the decision maker for going on 4 yrs lol. He wasn't the decision maker in Houston/Cleveland/ATL or DC.

He had a higher grade on Carr/JG vs manziel reportedly. He had a high grade on Russel Wilson as well.

Kap isn't accurate enough to run this passing offense. Imo he couldn't read coverages well enough. It has zero to do with being an athlete lol.

He's stated (and I've told you this) he simply didn't evaluate QBs like he should have in 2017. He even said this...he said it's not often you have a great chance at getting a young FQB who already knows the scheme. That was the plan right/wrong.

If you think kyle just wants a statue at QB, then you're gonna be wrong.

There you go changing the conversation.

RGIII and Kirk Cousins were on his team when he was OC. As OC he wanted to start Cousins over RGIII. Ownership wanted RGII to start

Brian Hoyer and Johnny manziel were on his team when he was OC. as OC, he wanted to keep Hoyer as his QB ownership(or Petitine) wanted to start manziel he abruptly left.

as for Kaepernick no where in my entire post did i say anything about being an athlete. However, your comments on Kepernick is literally making my argument as to what he wants.

As for the 2017 portion of your comment. yea we all already know this. It just further strengthens the point i'm trying to make. He was wanting his type of guy. which looks alot like the rest of what i already laid out.

Yea i was told i was gonna be wrong about a WR @ 13 too.

Not going to debate over this. All i'm saying is I believe the sample size is pretty sizable.

Originally posted by krizay:

There you go changing the conversation.

RGIII and Kirk Cousins were on his team when he was OC. As OC he wanted to start Cousins over RGIII. Ownership wanted RGII to start

Brian Hoyer and Johnny manziel were on his team when he was OC. as OC, he wanted to keep Hoyer as his QB ownership(or Petitine) wanted to start manziel he abruptly left.

as for Kaepernick no where in my entire post did i say anything about being an athlete. However, your comments on Kepernick is literally making my argument as to what he wants.

As for the 2017 portion of your comment. yea we all already know this. It just further strengthens the point i'm trying to make. He was wanting his type of guy. which looks alot like the rest of what i already laid out.

Yea i was told i was gonna be wrong about a WR @ 13 too.

Not going to debate over this. All i'm saying is I believe the sample size is pretty sizable.

Cousins and Hoyer have accomplished more as QBs than RG3 and Manziel did. So Kyle was right lol.

And Kyle's comments about Russell Wilson and how they had him in their sights illustrates that he isn't completely married to a specific type of QB.