Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Irish40Niner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
No sane person would take Jones over Fields lol. The only reason the media is pushing it is because of how controversial it would be. People love to look at train wrecks and taking Jones at #3 would make us the biggest train wreck in the league.

Totally agree! I think we could end up looking dumber than the bears when they took Trubisky over Watson and Mahomes. I've been wrong before, but I don't like Mac Jones at #3 after giving up so much!

It's a huge decision for the franchise. I'm just glad they have a whole month to really make a good decision. As one of the talking heads pointed out, if Kyle can make Jimmy look like a starting QB, imagine what he can do with an actual starting material QB. Any of the three guys (Fields, Mac, or Lance) I think are starting material QB's and this franchise will be fine with any of the three -- all that's to be decided is *how* the offense evolves. Is the offense going to be the same old, same old - with Mac, or a more dynamic offense like the '94 49ers with the addition of RPO's and Scramble Drills.

lol you changed your tune quickly on Jimmy. from a top 10 QB / FQB to now he's just not even starting material QB.

In comparison to the three rookie QB's, I think Jimmy is a bit outclassed, at least with regards to Fields and Lance, and to a certain extent Mac. I think overall he's still a top tier QB, worthy of being mentioned with the best, but unfortunately he's not had a lot of results to match his potential due to his health.

I still think he's up there in the upper tier, but those injuries have really slowed his growth. He's now close to 30 where physical attributes start to diminish, and he's never had top of the line speed in the first place. Those severe ankle and knee injuries aren't going to help his speed and agility attributes in my opinion. If he stays healthy (Big If there) he can be very good - albiet great - but he has to get on the field and play in order to do that, and after four years, I can see Kyles point about health being a big factor in whether Jimmy progresses or regresses from here on in. I think they can win a super bowl with Jimmy, but they just can't take that chance on his health anymore, that's too many years lost, Kyle can see the time clock ticking - and his job prospects for the next 10 years diminish if the next four years looks like the last four years.

I don't even care anymore. LOL

Wyche knows lol

Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't even care anymore. LOL

I didn't either but I keep seeing draft day, and we pick Jones and I'm thinking, man, we are now the same offense with 3 less picks. Doesn't add up. We don't make ourselves better.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't even care anymore. LOL

I didn't either but I keep seeing draft day, and we pick Jones and I'm thinking, man, we are now the same offense with 3 less picks. Doesn't add up. We don't make ourselves better.

This!

Originally posted by Joecool:
I didn't either but I keep seeing draft day, and we pick Jones and I'm thinking, man, we are now the same offense with 3 less picks. Doesn't add up. We don't make ourselves better.

You are a smart man. This is the issue.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I didn't either but I keep seeing draft day, and we pick Jones and I'm thinking, man, we are now the same offense with 3 less picks. Doesn't add up. We don't make ourselves better.

Real talk

Originally posted by Joecool:
NFL teams when we draft Mac Jones:

• "Whew, thank god we don't need to deal with a multi-dimensional threat vs the 49ers. They are tough enough to plan for as is.

NFL teams when we draft Fields or Lance:

• "f**k! How the hell do we stop this offense now? We could hope on crap QB play before."

THIS!!!!!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

💯👊🏾 https://t.co/yXJjzYOyun

— Steve Wyche (@wyche89) April 1, 2021

Wyche knows lol

Foxworth is right

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.

Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.

See I am the opposite. I will take the safe-upgrade over Jimmy G. That is not to say I don't think Mac doesn't have a high ceiling. I do. I think Mac Jones is a plug-in day 1 upgrade over Jimmy. I like a lot about fields but he has a much higher bust potential than Mac IMO and I think Mac fits the system and what Kyle wants better. Lance, I am on record as not liking as the pick in the slightest. Huge potential, But Way too many unknowns and just a terrible level of experience.

Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

Are we talking about QBs or are we talking about lineman? I never liked the picks of Solomon Thomas or Mike McGlinchey picks. I didn't like anything about the pick of Solomon Thomas. Mike McGlinchey, I liked the player a lot but I did not want to draft a tackle that early that year. I don't want to get off topic here talking about lineman though.

I'm just pointing out that safe picks can back fire miserably. Sorry the names that came to mind were linemen. But for players like Cooper he was called "the CANT miss prospect". Nothing in the NFL is a sure thing so why not go with a guy with elite traits that can't be trained or taught.

If they're drafting to be safe, then why give up 2 future 1st rounders? If you want to be really great you sometimes need to take a chance. Sure it can backfire but so can the 'safe' pick. On the other hand, the risky pick with the high ceiling can give you a guy that will be a top 10 QB for the next 10-15 years. The safe pick will give you an average QB that's a game manager at best.

Again, I think Mac Jones does have a high ceiling. The whole high Ceiling thing is overplayed anyways. Brady has hit the highest ceiling ever in the NFL and he is not a mobile QB. A guy people would have said did not have a high ceiling. I think Mac Jones is the most pro-ready and has the least bust potential. I think he is an instant upgrade and he will have a long good career in the NFL. You can go trying to chase rainbows trying to find the guy who runs like Michael Vick and who can throw from the pocket like Peyton Manning. I will take the guy who is safest to be a really good QB.

BRady is exception to rule. A 6th round pick, no floor and no ceiling......a lottery ticket. The likes of which will never happen again. It just won't. So if you were starting a NFL franchise today what would be top 5 QBs you would take (age dependent): Mahomes, Allen, Watson, Herbert, and Burrow. No pure pocket passer in that lot (Herbert rushing 255/5, Burrow 370/5 in 2019.) You could throw Wilson in that mix, same story.

Brady is the exception in the sense that he was a 6th rounder who became the best QB in NFL history. He is not the exception when it comes to pocket passers who are said by everyone to not have high ceilings having success in the NFL. 17 of the last 20 QBs who won the superbowl were pure pocket passers. All of the 17 by the way were less mobile then Mac Jones. Mahomes, Rodgers and Russel Willson are the only mobile qbs to win a Superbowl the last 20 years and they each have only won one. Mobile Qbs are here to stay in the NFL and I will admit there has not been really good pocket Qbs drafted recently. But lets not pretend pocket QBs are no longer getting it done in the NFL.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Mac Jones is very polished and can most likely come onto our team and keep that offense moving with hardly a hiccup. BUUUUT, teams don't mortgage the future for Tom Brady talent. They do it for a QB that has the possibility to do unworldly things.

Mac at 3 just doesn't make sense. I mean, do we think NE would have jumped us for Mac so we decided to put our faith in our own hands even if it is for a QB that we can get in Free Agency? Think about it, we can get a 5-year veteran QB in free agency that also knows how to dissect defenses.

I totally agree with you that Mac kind of is the lesser of the three QB's. The only thing I can think of is that maybe *Maybe* (big maybe there) Kyle's thinking of the Greatest Turds on Turf offense that the Lambs had back at the turn of the century. Kurt Warner was nowhere near the athleticism of a Fields or Lance, but that offense blew the doors off the NFL history books. If Kyle sees Mac as a version of a QB like a Kurt Warner that can stand in the pocket and deliver, Kyle will build the offense around him and he'll get Issac 2.0, Holt 2.0, Bruce 2.0 and find Marshall 2.0 to surround the rookie.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's not so much that Fields is terrible at the mental aspects of the position (although he has been objectively bad at recognizing blitzes — something I was skeptical of a few weeks ago until I watched more of him). But that's not it. It's not Fields being horrid at the mental aspects of the position. It's that McKorkle is unusually good at the mental aspects of the position.

And it's something that can absolutely be coached. These prospects are like 20-22 yrs old. You're not drafting someone based on what they can do overall right now BUT what they can do yrs from now...it's a reason why Jimmy will be the starter and you let someone with a massive ceiling like Lance/fields sit for a yr.

To an extent, if you have the right guy. Most QBs -- the vast majority -- never improve more than incrementally at the mental side of the position. Certainly not before their thirties usually.

That said, there are some exceptions (Steve Young, John Elway), and more importantly, there are things you can do schematically that make that less of an important factor.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by goatroppolo:
Okay so what that tells me is no not really. Justin fields was pressured more than Jones and he only played 8 games compared to Jones' 13.

Big time. Can't even get to the top of his drop. Steps up. Eyes up. Accurate ball to his receiver while under duress. I really like Mac Jones pic.twitter.com/hYkJ50e8o9

— Crocky (@eric_crocker) December 24, 2020

He had a very good OL, but so did Zach Wilson, Lawrence and Lance. Jones handled pressure very well when it came.

One of my favorite Jones plays. Fields has something in that same vein where he's getting crushed and makes a good down field throw.

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
What if we pick fields or lance and they become huge busts and jones goes to the Panthers and becomes the 2nd coming of drew Brees?

That'll suck, obviously, but it will look 100x worse if they take Jones and he is average at best while Fields or Lance go on to become superstars. Especially since they already passed on Watson and Mahomes a few years ago, and (in this scenario) learned nothing from it.

Agreed if they are gonna take their shot let's f**king aim for the f**king moon.

See I am the opposite. I will take the safe-upgrade over Jimmy G. That is not to say I don't think Mac doesn't have a high ceiling. I do. I think Mac Jones is a plug-in day 1 upgrade over Jimmy. I like a lot about fields but he has a much higher bust potential than Mac IMO and I think Mac fits the system and what Kyle wants better. Lance, I am on record as not liking as the pick in the slightest. Huge potential, But Way too many unknowns and just a terrible level of experience.

Solomon Thomas was the safe pick. Jonathan Cooper was a safe pick. Laken Tomlinson was a safe pick. Mike McGlinchey was a safe pick.

Are we talking about QBs or are we talking about lineman? I never liked the picks of Solomon Thomas or Mike McGlinchey picks. I didn't like anything about the pick of Solomon Thomas. Mike McGlinchey, I liked the player a lot but I did not want to draft a tackle that early that year. I don't want to get off topic here talking about lineman though.

I'm just pointing out that safe picks can back fire miserably. Sorry the names that came to mind were linemen. But for players like Cooper he was called "the CANT miss prospect". Nothing in the NFL is a sure thing so why not go with a guy with elite traits that can't be trained or taught.

If they're drafting to be safe, then why give up 2 future 1st rounders? If you want to be really great you sometimes need to take a chance. Sure it can backfire but so can the 'safe' pick. On the other hand, the risky pick with the high ceiling can give you a guy that will be a top 10 QB for the next 10-15 years. The safe pick will give you an average QB that's a game manager at best.

Again, I think Mac Jones does have a high ceiling. The whole high Ceiling thing is overplayed anyways. Brady has hit the highest ceiling ever in the NFL and he is not a mobile QB. A guy people would have said did not have a high ceiling. I think Mac Jones is the most pro-ready and has the least bust potential. I think he is an instant upgrade and he will have a long good career in the NFL. You can go trying to chase rainbows trying to find the guy who runs like Michael Vick and who can throw from the pocket like Peyton Manning. I will take the guy who is safest to be a really good QB.

BRady is exception to rule. A 6th round pick, no floor and no ceiling......a lottery ticket. The likes of which will never happen again. It just won't. So if you were starting a NFL franchise today what would be top 5 QBs you would take (age dependent): Mahomes, Allen, Watson, Herbert, and Burrow. No pure pocket passer in that lot (Herbert rushing 255/5, Burrow 370/5 in 2019.) You could throw Wilson in that mix, same story.

Brady is the exception in the sense that he was a 6th rounder who became the best QB in NFL history. He is not the exception when it comes to pocket passers who are said by everyone to not have high ceilings having success in the NFL. 17 of the last 20 QBs who won the superbowl were pure pocket passers. All of the 17 by the way were less mobile then Mac Jones. Mahomes, Rodgers and Russel Willson are the only mobile qbs to win a Superbowl the last 20 years and they each have only won one. Mobile Qbs are here to stay in the NFL and I will admit there has not been really good pocket Qbs drafted recently. But lets not pretend pocket QBs are no longer getting it done in the NFL.

AGree. I don't think you can compare Brady to anybody. Like you or another said, he was a lotto ticket that Bellicheat just lucked into, similar to Cheat Carroll who lucked into Midget Wilson. The only difference is that Bellicheat is a hell of a lot better cheater. .. oops, I mean coach than Cheat Carroll.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:
The age old question "can people change?" will finally be answered come draft day lol

Gotta learn from his mistakes. Who are arguably top 3 QBs in league? Mahomes, Allen, and Watson? All mobile QBs able to create outside the pocket. You'd figure after losing to Mahomes in SB and watching Allen completely annihilate the 49ers with ease he would be second guessing his QB theory. If Mac is the super computer everyone says he is then we should expect Peyton type ceiling. As much as they gave up for him, that's a reasonable expectation IMO. I'd be OK with Rivers/Ryan type ceiling, I'm think somwhere between Couch and Cousins.

I beg to differ sir. All three of these guys are great because their ARMS are ridiculous. The movement helps them to put pressure on the defense, but without those ridiculous arms, they'd be mediocre. That's why I'm leaning back towards Fields over Lance. It's not that Lance doesn't have a good arm, but when I watch him what I see is slow. Deliberate. When I watch Fields what I see is lightning off platform rockets.