Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Comparisons so far:

Wilson = Mahomes
Jones = Manning
Lance = Elway
Fields = ???

A lot of people are saying McNair.

McNair had bigger numbers in college.

He should at Alcorn State

He had all time passing marks. Go look at his numbers they were ridiculous and he managed to do it with alcorn state WR's not future 1st rounders like Fields has. McNair also carried his team instead of the knock of being on a roster full of 1st round picks to make him look good.

Also playing in Southwestern Athletic conference with the likes of Prarie View A&M, Alabama A&M, Jackson State, Grambling. Didn't Prarie View lose like 100 straight games at one point in their history.
Who are Fields future first rounders at skill position? Olave won't be one.

I'm at the acceptance stage.

Welcome to the Niners our new fearless leader Mac Jones. Golf clap.

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Brady is the exception in the sense that he was a 6th rounder who became the best QB in NFL history. He is not the exception when it comes to pocket passers who are said by everyone to not have high ceilings having success in the NFL. 17 of the last 20 QBs who won the superbowl were pure pocket passers. All of the 17 by the way were less mobile then Mac Jones. Mahomes, Rodgers and Russel Willson are the only mobile qbs to win a Superbowl the last 20 years and they each have only won one. Mobile Qbs are here to stay in the NFL and I will admit there has not been really good pocket Qbs drafted recently. But lets not pretend pocket QBs are no longer getting it done in the NFL.

How many of those good pocket guys are under 30?

Fair point. It would depend on what you considered a pocket passer vs mobile. I will admit over the last 5 years all the guys who have had success coming out of the draft have been mobile. But over that 5 years, there have only been maybe 3 pocket passers that were considered by some to be any kind of talent. Those were Goff, Rosen, and Watson. All seem to be busts but I am not sure even they compare to Jones coming out. They struggled in college with a lot of the things Mac is good at. Both Goff and Rosen did not really have success in college. Winston was completely different as a player.

I would say use Brady or Ryan, etc and whatever their rushing yards are that would be the bar. Say 100-120 yards rushing or less per season. Rodgers had 150 thus year, that was his career low in any season he played all 16 games.

Watson? Pocket passer? Bust? Maybe in off field decline making. Guy led the league in passing 2020, never had less than 400 yds rushing in a full season.

Sorry I meant to type Winston.

Yeah I figured it wasnt Watson, just wanted to give you some 💩

Originally posted by Giedi:
I totally agree with you that Mac kind of is the lesser of the three QB's. The only thing I can think of is that maybe *Maybe* (big maybe there) Kyle's thinking of the Greatest Turds on Turf offense that the Lambs had back at the turn of the century. Kurt Warner was nowhere near the athleticism of a Fields or Lance, but that offense blew the doors off the NFL history books. If Kyle sees Mac as a version of a QB like a Kurt Warner that can stand in the pocket and deliver, Kyle will build the offense around him and he'll get Issac 2.0, Holt 2.0, Bruce 2.0 and find Marshall 2.0 to surround the rookie.

Not sure if that's the type of offense Kyle envisions. The Mike Martz offense treated every down like it was 3rd and 15. Kyle has a very different philosophy.

Dynamic run game and boot action are staples of his offense. He seems to molding the offense towards a hybrid of the early 90's niner teams that had weapons at every skill position and the Broncos teams of the late 90s with their unstoppable outside zone run game...both of which his dad won super bowls with.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Comparisons so far:

Wilson = Mahomes
Jones = Manning
Lance = Elway
Fields = ???

A lot of people are saying McNair.

McNair had bigger numbers in college.

He should at Alcorn State

He had all time passing marks. Go look at his numbers they were ridiculous and he managed to do it with alcorn state WR's not future 1st rounders like Fields has. McNair also carried his team instead of the knock of being on a roster full of 1st round picks to make him look good.

Also playing in Southwestern Athletic conference with the likes of Prarie View A&M, Alabama A&M, Jackson State, Grambling. Didn't Prarie View lose like 100 straight games at one point in their history.
Who are Fields future first rounders at skill position? Olave won't be one.

Jeremy Ruckert was a recruited and potentially future first rounder at TE, he has some of the best hands at the position in college. Chris Olave Mel Kiper had ranked as the #7 receiver this year had he come out. Garrett Wilson is a 5 star recruit who was young last season but showed explosive downfield ability that could see him develop into a college star sooner than later.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by braap49er:
Phoenix, who do you want at #3? Mac, Fields, or Lance?

Mond

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Mond

It's all jokes until Kyle drafts Mond at 3. "We took the biggest, fastest, strongest guy."

Mac jones wouldn't be the worse pick....but they would have overpaid to get him.

Originally posted by braap49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by braap49er:
Phoenix, who do you want at #3? Mac, Fields, or Lance?

Mond

Kyle Trask.

FIGHT ME!

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Mac jones wouldn't be the worse pick....but they would have overpaid to get him.

I think that's the biggest issue. Can't pick again in R1 til 2024. Yikes. This sight gonna be slowwwwwwww next year at this time. 'K guys who do we target at #55?' At least I hope its 55.....Hopefully later

Worst case scenario, 2024: "OK, guys which QB do we like at #4?"

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Mac jones wouldn't be the worse pick....but they would have overpaid to get him.

I mean not really.. He was going in the top 10 no matter what and he probably doesn't get passed Atlanta at 4. Matt Ryan is 35 and doesn't have any guaranteed money left on his contract past this year. He also turns 36 in mid may so he will be 37 to start the 2022 season.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Mac jones wouldn't be the worse pick....but they would have overpaid to get him.

I think that's the biggest issue. Can't pick again in R1 til 2024. Yikes. This sight gonna be slowwwwwwww next year at this time. 'K guys who do we target at #55?' At least I hope its 55.....Hopefully later

Worst case scenario, 2024: "OK, guys which QB do we like at #4?"

There's no way Lynch/Shanny go 2 years without a first round pick. It will come at a cost but I can easily see them trading a valued player for a first rounder like they did with Buckner.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
I think that's the biggest issue. Can't pick again in R1 til 2024. Yikes. This sight gonna be slowwwwwwww next year at this time. 'K guys who do we target at #55?' At least I hope its 55.....Hopefully later

Worst case scenario, 2024: "OK, guys which QB do we like at #4?"

Well I think the plan is let to let Jimmy ball out and then trade him for a first round pick. If it goes like they hope that makes it a lot better. I could even see a midseason trade once Mac has a grasp of the system. Its not likely but I wouldn't rule it out either.

Man, just listened to Eric Davis' pod and I don't think he took one breath the entire time.

Anyway, had some interesting takes. He thought the move up to 3 might be simply to buy them more time for evaluation because they liked the guys but weren't in love with anyone. But he felt Lynch might be playing some 4D chess knowing if they don't fall in love, they'll be in great position to trade out, get a haul and still be higher than 12. Interesting.

He had Mac as his #3 QB. He said playing at Alabama IS playing for an NFL team. "No bad games despite immense NFL environment and expectations."

Finally, as long as Jimmy wins, it doesn't matter if they draft a QB at 3. He saw that with Garcia, we're seeing that with Rodgers/Love, etc.

I don't know how much coke he was on...but, interesting takes.