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Apr 1, 2021 at 1:07 PM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Man, just listened to Eric Davis' pod and I don't think he took one breath the entire time.

Anyway, had some interesting takes. He thought the move up to 3 might be simply to buy them more time for evaluation because they liked the guys but weren't in love with anyone. But he felt Lynch might be playing some 4D chess knowing if they don't fall in love, they'll be in great position to trade out, get a haul and still be higher than 12. Interesting.

He had Mac as his #3 QB. He said playing at Alabama IS playing for an NFL team. "No bad games despite immense NFL environment and expectations."

Finally, as long as Jimmy wins, it doesn't matter if they draft a QB at 3. He saw that with Garcia, we're seeing that with Rodgers/Love, etc.

I don't know how much coke he was on...but, interesting takes.

Yea, Alabama is an NFL team, but playing against college teams lol. Hard to look bad. Also, the expectations obviously can't be too high seeing as Jones never found where the weight room was.

And there is no comparison to the Love/Rodgers situation. Not with 3 first round picks being invested.

He was talking about the environment of playing there...the program, the film study, the coaches, the preparation, the expectations, pressure to perform, etc. not the competition itself.
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:10 PM
Originally posted by 49erbrass:
That doesn't make any sense. If you aren't in love with a player what makes you think another teams is? They traded up to draft someone without a doubt...

I believe he's saying somebody has to get desperate and being at 3 offers all sorts of luxuries if you don't fall in love with one of the QB's at 3. And that's known because of the QB class itself.

I'm with you though. You don't move up unless you're already in love why someone.

Otherwise, that could be a fireable offense.
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 1, 2021 at 1:11 PM ]
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:10 PM
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Another fine made up stat by PFF.

Yeah he is probably worse .

BUT not made up if it favored Mac. Ahhh, I see.
[ Edited by Rathof44 on Apr 1, 2021 at 1:11 PM ]
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:14 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Man, just listened to Eric Davis' pod and I don't think he took one breath the entire time.

Anyway, had some interesting takes. He thought the move up to 3 might be simply to buy them more time for evaluation because they liked the guys but weren't in love with anyone. But he felt Lynch might be playing some 4D chess knowing if they don't fall in love, they'll be in great position to trade out, get a haul and still be higher than 12. Interesting.

He had Mac as his #3 QB. He said playing at Alabama IS playing for an NFL team. "No bad games despite immense NFL environment and expectations."

Finally, as long as Jimmy wins, it doesn't matter if they draft a QB at 3. He saw that with Garcia, we're seeing that with Rodgers/Love, etc.

I don't know how much coke he was on...but, interesting takes.

Yea, Alabama is an NFL team, but playing against college teams lol. Hard to look bad. Also, the expectations obviously can't be too high seeing as Jones never found where the weight room was.

And there is no comparison to the Love/Rodgers situation. Not with 3 first round picks being invested.

He was talking about the environment of playing there...the program, the film study, the coaches, the preparation, the expectations, pressure to perform, etc. not the competition itself.

Ok, I get what he's saying. Though I will say that this isn't a new thing. Tons of QBs have come from major programs only to flop, including just recently from Alabama. And many QBs that have excelled have come from smaller schools. I don't know if it really makes much of a difference and even if it did, there's not going to be a huge difference between OSU and Alabama in that regard. Obviously BYU and NDSU are different.
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:17 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Man, just listened to Eric Davis' pod and I don't think he took one breath the entire time.

Anyway, had some interesting takes. He thought the move up to 3 might be simply to buy them more time for evaluation because they liked the guys but weren't in love with anyone. But he felt Lynch might be playing some 4D chess knowing if they don't fall in love, they'll be in great position to trade out, get a haul and still be higher than 12. Interesting.

He had Mac as his #3 QB. He said playing at Alabama IS playing for an NFL team. "No bad games despite immense NFL environment and expectations."

Finally, as long as Jimmy wins, it doesn't matter if they draft a QB at 3. He saw that with Garcia, we're seeing that with Rodgers/Love, etc.

I don't know how much coke he was on...but, interesting takes.

Yea, Alabama is an NFL team, but playing against college teams lol. Hard to look bad. Also, the expectations obviously can't be too high seeing as Jones never found where the weight room was.

And there is no comparison to the Love/Rodgers situation. Not with 3 first round picks being invested.

He was talking about the environment of playing there...the program, the film study, the coaches, the preparation, the expectations, pressure to perform, etc. not the competition itself.

Being at Alabama means going against that Nick Saban defense daily in practice. One can knock Jones and Bama for it's talent but by the same token iron sharpens iron and Jones got to face some of the best defensive players in the country who play in an incredibly sound and well coached defensive scheme.
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:22 PM
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Another fine made up stat by PFF.

Yeah he is probably worse .

BUT not made up if it favored Mac. Ahhh, I see.

Apr 1, 2021 at 1:23 PM
Originally posted by blizzuntz:

BUT BUT BUT....
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:26 PM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Ok, I get what he's saying. Though I will say that this isn't a new thing. Tons of QBs have come from major programs only to flop, including just recently from Alabama. And many QBs that have excelled have come from smaller schools. I don't know if it really makes much of a difference and even if it did, there's not going to be a huge difference between OSU and Alabama in that regard. Obviously BYU and NDSU are different.

Yup. It can certainly help the transition to the next level but it's not a given.
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:28 PM

Better be highly rated vs pressure with all of dem checkdowns
[ Edited by adrianlesnar on Apr 1, 2021 at 1:28 PM ]
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:31 PM
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Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Another fine made up stat by PFF.

Yeah he is probably worse .

BUT not made up if it favored Mac. Ahhh, I see.

No PFF is notorious for made up click bait stats. There is so much going into a play design and a play call that they have no way of knowing how or why something ends up the way it is.
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:31 PM
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Better be highly rated vs pressure with all of dem checkdowns

If anyone watches Alabama or Clemson play, you'll see the majority of what they do is screens and short passes at or around the line of scrimmage.
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:32 PM
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Better be highly rated vs pressure with all of dem checkdowns

Interesting! Here is the chart for Fields for comparison:

Apr 1, 2021 at 1:32 PM
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Another fine made up stat by PFF.

Yeah he is probably worse .

BUT not made up if it favored Mac. Ahhh, I see.

No PFF is notorious for made up click bait stats. There is so much going into a play design and a play call that they have no way of knowing how or why something ends up the way it is.

His point being that because that particular stat makes Jones look less than, you provide a negative take. If that metric was for, say, Fields or Lance you wouldn't have posted.
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:33 PM
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
If anyone watches Alabama or Clemson play, you'll see the majority of what they do is screens and short passes at or around the line of scrimmage.

Noticeably less efficient the further from the LOS or outside of the numbers the target gets.
Apr 1, 2021 at 1:34 PM
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Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Another fine made up stat by PFF.

Yeah he is probably worse .

BUT not made up if it favored Mac. Ahhh, I see.

No PFF is notorious for made up click bait stats. There is so much going into a play design and a play call that they have no way of knowing how or why something ends up the way it is.

His point being that because that particular stat makes Jones look less than, you provide a negative take. If that metric was for, say, Fields or Lance you wouldn't have posted.

No PFF is strait garbage with these and has always been. Doesn't matter if it's Mac Jones, Justin Fields ect...they throw out misleading statistics all the time.
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