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Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
If anyone watches Alabama or Clemson play, you'll see the majority of what they do is screens and short passes at or around the line of scrimmage.

Noticeably less efficient the further from the LOS or outside of the numbers the target gets.

Which makes sense, those are more difficult throws. I guess my point is that Alabama isn't running some offense that put Jones in a position to appear any more NFL ready than the other prospects. The only thing he has over the other quarterbacks is the perceived notion that he's a football genius. If you don't feel that way, theres no way you can have him ranked above the other quarterbacks in this draft.
[ Edited by DaBeegDeek on Apr 1, 2021 at 1:36 PM ]
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Interesting! Here is the chart for Fields for comparison:


Much more efficient deep. You'd like to see a bit better of a hit rate in the middle of the field short of the sticks. Tbf to Jones, much smaller sample size. Mostly tho, it just helps add context to what Jones is actually asked to do on Alabama's system
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Which makes sense, those are more difficult throws. I guess my point is that Alabama isn't running some offense that put Jones in a position to appear any more NFL ready than the other prospects. The only thing he has over the other quarterbacks is the perceived notion that he's a football genius. If you don't feel that way, theres no way you can have him ranked above the other quarterbacks in this draft.

Yea, we're in agreement
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Interesting! Here is the chart for Fields for comparison:


Much more efficient deep. You'd like to see a bit better of a hit rate in the middle of the field short of the sticks. Tbf to Jones, much smaller sample size. Mostly tho, it just helps add context to what Jones is actually asked to do on Alabama's system

It also helps explain how the avg TtT numbers aren't necessarily reflective of slower processing, but of the type of offense the QBs are being asked to run.
Originally posted by jcs:
No PFF is strait garbage with these and has always been. Doesn't matter if it's Mac Jones, Justin Fields ect...they throw out misleading statistics all the time.

Just because you think something doesnt make it so.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Ok, I get what he's saying. Though I will say that this isn't a new thing. Tons of QBs have come from major programs only to flop, including just recently from Alabama. And many QBs that have excelled have come from smaller schools. I don't know if it really makes much of a difference and even if it did, there's not going to be a huge difference between OSU and Alabama in that regard. Obviously BYU and NDSU are different.

Yup. It can certainly help the transition to the next level but it's not a given.
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 1, 2021 at 1:53 PM ]
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nfl-rumors-mac-jones-viewed-10-year-nfl-starter-coaches-gms
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Interesting! Here is the chart for Fields for comparison:


Much more efficient deep. You'd like to see a bit better of a hit rate in the middle of the field short of the sticks. Tbf to Jones, much smaller sample size. Mostly tho, it just helps add context to what Jones is actually asked to do on Alabama's system

Looks like our offense... using those RAC monsters.
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
His point being that because that particular stat makes Jones look less than, you provide a negative take. If that metric was for, say, Fields or Lance you wouldn't have posted.

PFF doesn't give a f**k about who drafts who... analytics is data. This is data and people will either choose to poo poo it because it proves this wrong or be objective.

All these prospect have their warts. But all this Mac Jones is some between the ears savant is greatly romanticized.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
It also helps explain how the avg TtT numbers aren't necessarily reflective of slower processing, but of the type of offense the QBs are being asked to run.

True. Minus the individual choice to scramble.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Looks like our offense... using those RAC monsters.

Then just keep Jimmy? Or draft Mills in the second if you're looking for a guy that can run an offense and throw to schemes up open guys for RAC.

you don't spend 3 1sts if that's all you're looking for. Plain and simple. Kyle alluded to this in his presser.

if Mac is the pick (which I doubt) this team isn't marginally better than what it currently is.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
It also helps explain how the avg TtT numbers aren't necessarily reflective of slower processing, but of the type of offense the QBs are being asked to run.

Been saying this for weeks lol. Same thing with completion percentage...no s**t a dude has a high comp % when a 3rd of his passes are at the LOS. Wild.

It was the same exact thing with Tua...it's what Bama does the past 5 yrs or so...spread our the field find the QB easy looks and let them out talent you. That's not gonna roll in the NFL when everyone is talented. Tua learned that one.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Apr 1, 2021 at 2:04 PM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Been saying this for weeks lol. Same thing with completion percentage...no s**t a dude has a high comp % when a 3rd of his passes are at the LOS. Wild.

It was the same exact thing with Tua...it's what Bama does the past 5 yrs or so...spread our the field find the QB easy looks and let them out talent you. That's not gonna roll in the NFL when everyone is talented. Tua learned that one.

look at this s**t like 80% of his passes are at or behind the line of scrimage!
watching out of shape mac Jones running slow motion play actions and bootlegs is gonna make me puke.
When you are only comparing a few players, it's probably more reliable to just look at the tape and see every singel throw over and over. Numbers, completion percentage, etc. are less important when you can study every snap.
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