Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Mac jones wouldn't be the worse pick....but they would have overpaid to get him.

Personally I think the *overpayment* part was having to move up a whole month before the draft, and basically telegraph the move -- but in such a way that nobody could steal a jump on you. I view it as more of paying the premium to take your time to make sure that the house you are buying (for example) isn't a dump but has been pest inspected, wood rot inspected, foundations are sound, roof isn't leaking, plumbing works, and there is electricity. All that takes time. And whether or not Mac was the target moving up to #3, the more important thing was to *not screw up the pick* whoever it was going to be (Mac or otherwise) hence the premium paid to hold the pick in order to do due diligence.

I firmly believe that they traded to 3 to draft either Wilson or Fields, whichever is available.

All this talk of Jones or even Lance is just s**t stirring cause the media and fans are bored.

That said I think Jones will be a solid NFL starter and Lance could very well be the next Mahomes or Allen.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Mac jones wouldn't be the worse pick....but they would have overpaid to get him.

I think that's the biggest issue. Can't pick again in R1 til 2024. Yikes. This sight gonna be slowwwwwwww next year at this time. 'K guys who do we target at #55?' At least I hope its 55.....Hopefully later

Worst case scenario, 2024: "OK, guys which QB do we like at #4?"

NOt necesarily. If Jimmy is doing great, then next year he's possible trade bait while #3 QB pick takes over for Jimmy (Fat Andy and Mahomes style). Maybe they will trade Jimmy for a number 1 pick, and there you go, there's your number 1 pick next year (potentially.)

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's not so much that Fields is terrible at the mental aspects of the position (although he has been objectively bad at recognizing blitzes — something I was skeptical of a few weeks ago until I watched more of him). But that's not it. It's not Fields being horrid at the mental aspects of the position. It's that McKorkle is unusually good at the mental aspects of the position.

And it's something that can absolutely be coached. These prospects are like 20-22 yrs old. You're not drafting someone based on what they can do overall right now BUT what they can do yrs from now...it's a reason why Jimmy will be the starter and you let someone with a massive ceiling like Lance/fields sit for a yr.

To an extent, if you have the right guy. Most QBs -- the vast majority -- never improve more than incrementally at the mental side of the position. Certainly not before their thirties usually.

That said, there are some exceptions (Steve Young, John Elway), and more importantly, there are things you can do schematically that make that less of an important factor.

The QB when reading a defense is facing a puzzle, I think Joe Montana said it's like driving through a red light with a lot of cross street high speed traffic and trying not to hit any cars. Defenses are constantly trying to cross up the speed reading tells that a QB relies on to figure out who to go to. I.e. defenses figure out a QB and shut him down example. The QB's that learn how to solve the puzzle faster than defenses can create that puzzle will win. There are just some brains out there that can't figure the puzzle out. A nephew of a friend of mine can solve rubic's cubes (all the different variations) no problem, but he's the only one that he knows of that can do that. It takes time to learn the pattern solution, it takes initiative and persistence to get the solutions into muscle memory, and it takes somebody interested in doing it, versus somebody with a passing fancy. Not everybody can solve the rubic's cube due to lack of interest, lack of persistence, or lack of talent, just like being an NFL QB.

I think the above is what makes it hard to be an NFL QB.

Looks like I'm going to start following my home states team. Tough pick between the Browns and the Bengals lol

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 4ML:

If Shanahan wants to win a popularity contest, he will take Wilson. If he wants to scare division rivals, he will take Lance. If he wants to win Super Bowls, he will take Fields. If he wants to win a job as OC of the Texans in 2025, he will take Jones.

— Don Atkinson (@DonAtkinsonNFL) April 1, 2021

The people who are in favor of the 49ers giving away all of their early round picks for the next two or three years to get up into the top 8 picks this year to get a rookie QB have zero understanding about building a football team to be elite.

— Don Atkinson (@DonAtkinsonNFL) December 29, 2020

Who the fook is that guy?.

Originally posted by Heroism:

"Yeah, I know Kyle Shanahan loves Mac," Dan Patrick said while reading off what one source texted to him. "Was told personnel department is still hoping to change his mind to Trey Lance. I get that Mac fits what he does, but man, I would want a lot more with that third pick."

Patrick quoted two other sources who also offered hints into the thinking inside the 49ers' headquarters.

"Two teams who need quarterbacks both said they believe Mac Jones to the Niners is a done deal," Patrick said while quoting a different source.

The third source offered up some of his or her own insight to go along with what 49ers brass may be thinking.

"The Niners and Shanahan are the only ones who know, but I'm hearing that Trey Lance makes more sense with Jimmy G being a bridge quarterback this next year," Patrick read. "Shanahan prefers a more mobile quarterback. Regardless of what Mac Jones ran, he's not athletic outside the pocket. He's [an] accurate/timing/touch passer. But inside, there's discussions of Trey Lance or Mac Jones."

Wow. If he's grappling between those two, there is going to be a divided house indeed. Just like in here and the Fields thread.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Wow. If he's grappling between those two, there is going to be a divided house indeed. Just like in here and the Fields thread.

Lance is literally te only one I wouldn't be able to stomach

I'm going to need roughly 28 days to mentally prepare for the fact that I might just hear, "With the third pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, the San Francisco 49ers select McCorkle Jones, quarterback, University of Alabama."

Praying he isn't the selection.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The fact that they are keeping Garoppolo suggests it's going to be someone who needs time to develop. That screams Lance to me.

That's my Wish too...but I think it's going to be Jones though.

I get that but even Mac has limited games. He may be most pro ready but he's not SF pro ready. I'd sit all three personally.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Dan Patrick today:

Yeah, I know Kyle Shanahan loves Mac," Patrick said while reading off what one source texted to him. "Was told personnel department is still hoping to change his mind to Trey Lance.

"Two teams who need quarterbacks both said they believe Mac Jones to the Niners is a done deal," Patrick said while quoting a different source

"The Niners and Shanahan are the only ones who know, but I'm hearing that Trey Lance makes more sense with Jimmy G being a bridge quarterback this next year," Patrick read. "Shanahan prefers a more mobile quarterback. Regardless of what Mac Jones ran, he's not athletic outside the pocket. He's [an] accurate/timing/touch passer. But inside, there's discussions of Trey Lance or Mac Jones."

This is depressing... maybe they can convince Shanahan to go Lance

That one's really tough...Kyle stayed away from Trubisky who had limited stats and more mobility. Hmmm.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It is clearly racist to say that Mac Jones is a quick processor -- even if the film shows it -- and it's clearly racist to say that Fields needs to work on seeing blitzes -- even if the film shows it. Clearly the film is racist. As is everyone saying Fields has any weaknesses at all related to football IQ or vision, or that Jones is in any way at all abnormally gifted at the mental aspect of quarterbacking.

I heard they even stopped using film because it was black.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Looks like our offense... using those RAC monsters.

Then just keep Jimmy? Or draft Mills in the second if you're looking for a guy that can run an offense and throw to schemes up open guys for RAC.

you don't spend 3 1sts if that's all you're looking for. Plain and simple. Kyle alluded to this in his presser.

if Mac is the pick (which I doubt) this team isn't marginally better than what it currently is.

I so much agree with that last statement.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
The fact that they are keeping Garoppolo suggests it's going to be someone who needs time to develop. That screams Lance to me.

That's my Wish too...but I think it's going to be Jones though.

I get that but even Mac has limited games. He may be most pro ready but he's not SF pro ready. I'd sit all three personally.

Yup.

3 sources apparently told Dan Patrick that there is a major rift in the organization over going with Mac or Lance. Shanny really likes MacDonalds but the others are trying to get him to go with Lance.

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