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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by jcs:
Difference is Josh Rosen was an F up in college and the NFL.
Dude couldn't keep his mouth shut if it was sewn tight. His arrogance didn't match his output at all.
So getting fake IDs and getting a DUI as a Freshman in college is what?
Different kind of F up. Mac's was a lack of maturity at 19. Rosen on the other hand is a permanent Douche bag.
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
Originally posted by gored49:
So I used to be on the jones train but I think I am off now. I thought watching him early he was similar to borrow and had potential because of his quick sliding feet and movement in the pocket. Watching burrow more you can clearly see the difference that he was a play maker and made plays out of nothing. That is not jones and what he is is an extremely well managed player. I don't think a managed player is deserving of the #3 pick.
if you watch jones's throws you will notice a pattern of him completing a lot of passes to his first read. You will then think he is very good at going through his progressions because he has a high completion percent. What I noticed was a pattern... a lot of those passes were deep safer (safer in college with elite talent) passes around or outside the numbers. If that wasn't his read more often than not it was a check down. Essentially this wasn't a progression but a safety outlet.
I have watched several of his games and every pass thrown so I would challenge someone that disagrees to tell me what game to watch. I really want to like him but I'm not seeing it now.
Jones being a well-managed player shouldn't be a knock, especially under Shanahan
and completing a pass to his first read all the time shouldn't be a knock either, that's what you're supposed to do
You say "deeper-safer throws with elite talent" -- Alabama still plays in the SEC, those are still future-NFL CBs in a lot of those games Mac played in. And I disagree about the majority of his after-1st reads being check-downs, there's plenty of times he's connecting with the second or third read on a non-check-down. And again, hitting a check-down isn't a negative either, Jimmy has had trouble hitting check-downs. We need a QB who can be accurate on all levels. You seem to be concerned over a lot of completed passes.
Watch his tape against Ohio St. in the NCG earlier this year, his most recent game
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
Originally posted by gored49:
So I used to be on the jones train but I think I am off now. I thought watching him early he was similar to borrow and had potential because of his quick sliding feet and movement in the pocket. Watching burrow more you can clearly see the difference that he was a play maker and made plays out of nothing. That is not jones and what he is is an extremely well managed player. I don't think a managed player is deserving of the #3 pick.
if you watch jones's throws you will notice a pattern of him completing a lot of passes to his first read. You will then think he is very good at going through his progressions because he has a high completion percent. What I noticed was a pattern... a lot of those passes were deep safer (safer in college with elite talent) passes around or outside the numbers. If that wasn't his read more often than not it was a check down. Essentially this wasn't a progression but a safety outlet.
I have watched several of his games and every pass thrown so I would challenge someone that disagrees to tell me what game to watch. I really want to like him but I'm not seeing it now.
Jones being a well-managed player shouldn't be a knock, especially under Shanahan
and completing a pass to his first read all the time shouldn't be a knock either, that's what you're supposed to do
You say "deeper-safer throws with elite talent" -- Alabama still plays in the SEC, those are still future-NFL CBs in a lot of those games Mac played in. And I disagree about the majority of his after-1st reads being check-downs, there's plenty of times he's connecting with the second or third read on a non-check-down. And again, hitting a check-down isn't a negative either, Jimmy has had trouble hitting check-downs. We need a QB who can be accurate on all levels. You seem to be concerned over a lot of completed passes.
Watch his tape against Ohio St. in the NCG earlier this year, his most recent game
This. I see plenty of him going through multiple reads. I think his film shows he is capable of making NFL throws. Also, I don't think it is a bad thing to go to a wide-open check down after your first or second read is covered. It is smart actually. In the NFL you want the ball coming out as soon as possible. This is assuming the RB is open of course. You know who finds open RBs out of the backfield. A guy named Brady. One of the things that drive me crazy about Jimmy is he never finds the open check down. You cannot fault Mac for making the right decision with the football on the field. I don't care if it is his first read or a check-down as long as he is throwing to open players. That is a positive in my book.
Originally posted by fan49:
Look Matt Jones is a statue that reads defense as well and goes to his Progressions well. But everybody's comparing him to Matt Ryan I don't think he'll ever compare to Matt Ryan because Matt Ryan can throw that deep ball. At the pro day Mac Jones deep ball looked horrible. I will be truly truly bummed out if we get back Jones and traded those first rounders for him. His ceiling is so low and there's no way that equals the pics we traded
Originally posted by gored49:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
Originally posted by gored49:
So I used to be on the jones train but I think I am off now. I thought watching him early he was similar to borrow and had potential because of his quick sliding feet and movement in the pocket. Watching burrow more you can clearly see the difference that he was a play maker and made plays out of nothing. That is not jones and what he is is an extremely well managed player. I don't think a managed player is deserving of the #3 pick.
if you watch jones's throws you will notice a pattern of him completing a lot of passes to his first read. You will then think he is very good at going through his progressions because he has a high completion percent. What I noticed was a pattern... a lot of those passes were deep safer (safer in college with elite talent) passes around or outside the numbers. If that wasn't his read more often than not it was a check down. Essentially this wasn't a progression but a safety outlet.
I have watched several of his games and every pass thrown so I would challenge someone that disagrees to tell me what game to watch. I really want to like him but I'm not seeing it now.
Jones being a well-managed player shouldn't be a knock, especially under Shanahan
and completing a pass to his first read all the time shouldn't be a knock either, that's what you're supposed to do
You say "deeper-safer throws with elite talent" -- Alabama still plays in the SEC, those are still future-NFL CBs in a lot of those games Mac played in. And I disagree about the majority of his after-1st reads being check-downs, there's plenty of times he's connecting with the second or third read on a non-check-down. And again, hitting a check-down isn't a negative either, Jimmy has had trouble hitting check-downs. We need a QB who can be accurate on all levels. You seem to be concerned over a lot of completed passes.
Watch his tape against Ohio St. in the NCG earlier this year, his most recent game
This. I see plenty of him going through multiple reads. I think his film shows he is capable of making NFL throws. Also, I don't think it is a bad thing to go to a wide-open check down after your first or second read is covered. It is smart actually. In the NFL you want the ball coming out as soon as possible. This is assuming the RB is open of course. You know who finds open RBs out of the backfield. A guy named Brady. One of the things that drive me crazy about Jimmy is he never finds the open check down. You cannot fault Mac for making the right decision with the football on the field. I don't care if it is his first read or a check-down as long as he is throwing to open players. That is a positive in my book.
But if an nfl defense knows you have two frequent tendencies they will take that away. Brady succeeds because he can win games many ways.
Again, He has a very strong arm and is capable of making the type of throws needed in the NFL. He throws a great deep ball. In fact, he has a better QB rating throwing deep than both Fields and Lance. Which according to most are probably those two guys' biggest strengths besides running with the football. So the fact that he hits his open RB out of the backfield is not a negative for me but a positive.
Originally posted by gored49:
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
Originally posted by gored49:
So I used to be on the jones train but I think I am off now. I thought watching him early he was similar to borrow and had potential because of his quick sliding feet and movement in the pocket. Watching burrow more you can clearly see the difference that he was a play maker and made plays out of nothing. That is not jones and what he is is an extremely well managed player. I don't think a managed player is deserving of the #3 pick.
if you watch jones's throws you will notice a pattern of him completing a lot of passes to his first read. You will then think he is very good at going through his progressions because he has a high completion percent. What I noticed was a pattern... a lot of those passes were deep safer (safer in college with elite talent) passes around or outside the numbers. If that wasn't his read more often than not it was a check down. Essentially this wasn't a progression but a safety outlet.
I have watched several of his games and every pass thrown so I would challenge someone that disagrees to tell me what game to watch. I really want to like him but I'm not seeing it now.
Jones being a well-managed player shouldn't be a knock, especially under Shanahan
and completing a pass to his first read all the time shouldn't be a knock either, that's what you're supposed to do
You say "deeper-safer throws with elite talent" -- Alabama still plays in the SEC, those are still future-NFL CBs in a lot of those games Mac played in. And I disagree about the majority of his after-1st reads being check-downs, there's plenty of times he's connecting with the second or third read on a non-check-down. And again, hitting a check-down isn't a negative either, Jimmy has had trouble hitting check-downs. We need a QB who can be accurate on all levels. You seem to be concerned over a lot of completed passes.
Watch his tape against Ohio St. in the NCG earlier this year, his most recent game
I disagree. Watch burrow in college and then watch jones. Burrow elevated the talent around him but I don't think jones did. I would want that out of a top 5 draft pick qb.
I watched his Ohio st game again to confirm my thoughts before I made my first post. I think it proves my point. Look at the Harris catch for a Td. Some would say that is a great read and watching it a few times I would say it is evidence of being well managed. Harris looked like the primary option and the pump and looking at the wr was all part of the play.
Originally posted by 49ers808:Original post was about an article of Jones privately writing to the people who ranked high school kids and having fun when them. Also not sure how an arrogant Rosen calling out everyone who didn't draft him on national TV compares to Mac Jones making a mistake at 19 is the same but ok bro.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by jcs:
Difference is Josh Rosen was an F up in college and the NFL.
Dude couldn't keep his mouth shut if it was sewn tight. His arrogance didn't match his output at all.
So getting fake IDs and getting a DUI as a Freshman in college is what?
Different kind of F up. Mac's was a lack of maturity at 19. Rosen on the other hand is a permanent Douche bag.
This is what you come back with, really? Just take the L bro
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 49ers808:Original post was about an article of Jones privately writing to the people who ranked high school kids and having fun when them. Also not sure how an arrogant Rosen calling out everyone who didn't draft him on national TV compares to Mac Jones making a mistake at 19 is the same but ok bro.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by jcs:
Difference is Josh Rosen was an F up in college and the NFL.
Dude couldn't keep his mouth shut if it was sewn tight. His arrogance didn't match his output at all.
So getting fake IDs and getting a DUI as a Freshman in college is what?
Different kind of F up. Mac's was a lack of maturity at 19. Rosen on the other hand is a permanent Douche bag.
This is what you come back with, really? Just take the L bro
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Shanahan wants 'his' guy, if it's Jones and everyone thinks he overpaid for him (he did btw), he's gonna pick him under the assumption he can win with him because of the system and everyone else can f**k off. Got some balls that's for sure, kinda gotta admire that.. IMO, career defining move for him. Maybe he thinks if I just had a better version of JG I could still win it, don't need all those overlyvathletic, special trait having mofos... I'm Kyle Shanahan. Go for it, man.
(I'd still go with one of the other guys)
Totally agree, I think our offense would be special with Fields, but I understand Kyle if he picks Mac. My feelings won't be too hurt. Again, Mac isn't a statute that everybody portrays him to be. He's a decent scrambler too, just as Fields and Lance are decent pocket passers.
Like I told my friends right when the trade happened:
it doesn't matter who we pick, I'm just ecstatic that this team is taking a real swing on a QB and I trust Shanahan to get his guy, he's never really hand-picked a QB before, so whoever he picks I'm good with. I can see the positives and potential in Fields, Lance and Jones. I won't be upset with any of those guys, or Wilson if he's somehow there. But assuming Shanahan nails this pick, we'll have a rookie QB under contract for 5 years, which means extending some core team leaders.
but when the news broke last Friday, my initial gut reaction was that this was for Mac Jones. I always wanted us to trade up, I was previously all about Fields, but about 2 weeks ago I started warming up to Mac Jones. By last Thursday I was 50/50 on Mac and Fields up until the trade, and was actually thinking Jones would go before Fields and we would have to get to 7 to secure Jones - because 8 is Carolina and Jones is very similar to Burrow who Carolina's OC had worked with at LSU.
And then post-trade I dove deep into Mac Jones' tape, loved him the more and more that I watched, and re-listened to some Shanahan talk about QBs, and Mac Jones just makes too much sense that I'm convinced it's him
... but if I'm way off and we draft Lance or Fields instead, then I'm just as excited and won't be disappointed like all of these anti-Mac people who will hold a grudge into the season if they don't get their guy
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
Originally posted by gored49:
So I used to be on the jones train but I think I am off now. I thought watching him early he was similar to borrow and had potential because of his quick sliding feet and movement in the pocket. Watching burrow more you can clearly see the difference that he was a play maker and made plays out of nothing. That is not jones and what he is is an extremely well managed player. I don't think a managed player is deserving of the #3 pick.
if you watch jones's throws you will notice a pattern of him completing a lot of passes to his first read. You will then think he is very good at going through his progressions because he has a high completion percent. What I noticed was a pattern... a lot of those passes were deep safer (safer in college with elite talent) passes around or outside the numbers. If that wasn't his read more often than not it was a check down. Essentially this wasn't a progression but a safety outlet.
I have watched several of his games and every pass thrown so I would challenge someone that disagrees to tell me what game to watch. I really want to like him but I'm not seeing it now.
Jones being a well-managed player shouldn't be a knock, especially under Shanahan
and completing a pass to his first read all the time shouldn't be a knock either, that's what you're supposed to do
You say "deeper-safer throws with elite talent" -- Alabama still plays in the SEC, those are still future-NFL CBs in a lot of those games Mac played in. And I disagree about the majority of his after-1st reads being check-downs, there's plenty of times he's connecting with the second or third read on a non-check-down. And again, hitting a check-down isn't a negative either, Jimmy has had trouble hitting check-downs. We need a QB who can be accurate on all levels. You seem to be concerned over a lot of completed passes.
Watch his tape against Ohio St. in the NCG earlier this year, his most recent game
This. I see plenty of him going through multiple reads. I think his film shows he is capable of making NFL throws. Also, I don't think it is a bad thing to go to a wide-open check down after your first or second read is covered. It is smart actually. In the NFL you want the ball coming out as soon as possible. This is assuming the RB is open of course. You know who finds open RBs out of the backfield. A guy named Brady. One of the things that drive me crazy about Jimmy is he never finds the open check down. You cannot fault Mac for making the right decision with the football on the field. I don't care if it is his first read or a check-down as long as he is throwing to open players. That is a positive in my book.
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
Originally posted by gored49:
So I used to be on the jones train but I think I am off now. I thought watching him early he was similar to borrow and had potential because of his quick sliding feet and movement in the pocket. Watching burrow more you can clearly see the difference that he was a play maker and made plays out of nothing. That is not jones and what he is is an extremely well managed player. I don't think a managed player is deserving of the #3 pick.
if you watch jones's throws you will notice a pattern of him completing a lot of passes to his first read. You will then think he is very good at going through his progressions because he has a high completion percent. What I noticed was a pattern... a lot of those passes were deep safer (safer in college with elite talent) passes around or outside the numbers. If that wasn't his read more often than not it was a check down. Essentially this wasn't a progression but a safety outlet.
I have watched several of his games and every pass thrown so I would challenge someone that disagrees to tell me what game to watch. I really want to like him but I'm not seeing it now.
Jones being a well-managed player shouldn't be a knock, especially under Shanahan
and completing a pass to his first read all the time shouldn't be a knock either, that's what you're supposed to do
You say "deeper-safer throws with elite talent" -- Alabama still plays in the SEC, those are still future-NFL CBs in a lot of those games Mac played in. And I disagree about the majority of his after-1st reads being check-downs, there's plenty of times he's connecting with the second or third read on a non-check-down. And again, hitting a check-down isn't a negative either, Jimmy has had trouble hitting check-downs. We need a QB who can be accurate on all levels. You seem to be concerned over a lot of completed passes.
Watch his tape against Ohio St. in the NCG earlier this year, his most recent game
Originally posted by Since07:
Adam Schefter is really pushing that it's Mac Jones at #3
Originally posted by DoseOfBosa:
of all the plays to choose from, you choose that one?!!
that's one of the plays that made me love Mac Jones, haha
on this play he shows he can make a throw under pressure, and it's a TD!
I don't know how to time-stamp videos but it's below at 3:24
