Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
to all the bolded. I'm just excited whether it's Mac or Fields or Lance. Heck, even before the trade, I was all in on Mills or Trask if we missed out on someone in the 1st. I trust Kyle. I trust him to get the best out of any of these QBs and we have the roster to help develop that.

Hey I know I can be a dick in here....I'm not gonna deny that I'm very passionate about the draft and of courses my Niners. I put a lot of time into watching, reading, listening to everything I can in regards to the draft.

I've been waiting for over 20 yrs for them to make a move like this and for people to tell me that Jones should be the pick and here's why....I simple can't relate or get on board with that.

If we trust Kyle to get the most out of any QB, why would it be the guy with the least amount of overall talent?

I can't believe we got a month left lol. My birthday is the 30th (so a night after the 1st rd) really hope it's a birthday

LOL. You definitely fit the national "NY" stereotype: brazen, outspoken, opinionated, unwavering, aggressive, lacking tact, etc.

That said, I personally know you have conviction because you've done your h/w and you feel locked in as a result.

Anything that offsets that is going to trigger you.

At the end of the day, Kyle will have that same exact conviction but it may not be for your guy. That's what we need to remember here, right or wrong.

There is going to be some serious crow eaten for years to come whether he ends up being right or wrong. It's his career. We're just witness to it.

If he takes Jones it will fail.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
A lot of people said that, not just him. Didn't Kyle have mitch trubisky as their top QB in that draft too?

I have no idea who Kyle had as his top QB I wasn't privy to their draft board but having Trubisky & Kizer over Mahomes doesn't say much for Brooks or anyone else's credibility.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:
Listen whoever comes here will have a leg up on the other guys probably. Question is who would be best with that leg up. Imo that's not Jones.

My point is that some people seem way too sure about who is going to succeed and who will fail and one constant about the draft is to expect the unexpected. I've seen way too many sure things flop and guys that no one thought would amount to anything became far better pro than college players.

That's why whether it's Lance, Jones, Fields or Wilson, I'm eager to see these guys develop and progress as quarterbacks in the NFL and I hope that whoever they choose, it'll be the right decision because out of those guys and Lawrence, you can pretty much count on two of them busting, maybe more.



I'll cheer for whoever they take and hope they got the good one, regardless of what the experts think.

I liked Mac Jones a lot at 12. IF he's the pick I'm going to hope he's better than Tom Brady and I'll be all in on him.

However if he doesn't come out lighting it up it will shut our window very quickly. Basically it will be a very stressful situation imo. We've all seen teams draft guys who were considered reaches at the time who end up being dominant and looking great in hind sight. But with all we gave up Jones basically has to be a Tom Brady type and quickly for the trade not to look terrible.

And for a prospect limited athletically the way he can prove he's worth all that is by stats and wins(aka team accomplishments)

it would be easier for the athletic QBs to prove their worth because making crazy plays happen even if the team has off days is easier to sell to people. Look at Mahomes in the SB this year. He had an awful game and yet you have people still praising him cuz of near completions.

Hope what I'm saying makes sense. Basically if Jones is the pick given the fan/media reactions he has to get to ultra levels out of the gate. The other guys are understood to be elite talents but need work. We pick Jones and he needs to be instant MVP type. The other guys get time to develop more before people come down on the trade.

God it's gonna be a long month.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If he takes Jones it will fail.

You don't know that. This is just argumentative and we have another month to get by before we know the result for sure. So maybe people should ease up a bit. You are all entitled to your opinions but perhaps bear in mind that 90% of the posters here are also49ers fans, every bit as passionate and equally entitled to their opinion.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
I have no idea who Kyle had as his top QB I wasn't privy to their draft board but having Trubisky & Kizer over Mahomes doesn't say much for Brooks or anyone else's credibility.

No he said they had Mitch as their top QB I'm remember this. So even Kyle get's it wrong...there's a difference between a team evaluating a prospects for their team vs a guy like Bucky just evaluating a guy in a vacuum. Mahomes on the Jets could have been a flop all the same.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If he takes Jones it will fail.

How? How can Jones be a Cousins clone or an equal to Jimmy and fail? We can't both say he's going to fail and be a clone of 2 successful QBs. His floor IMO are exactly what alot of people are saying he is. a Cousins or Jimmy Clone. Jimmy's only full season we had the #2 offense. Hell we had the #10 this year with Mullens.

I know the anti Jimmy crowd is going to bring up the running games as the reason we were #2 in offense. Which is partially true. We still had more passing yards than Wilson/Seashawks, Watson/Texans & Rodgers/Packers. Being a dual threat doesn't guarantee you what alot of you think it does.

Disclaimer: majority of this post is in general as your post doesn't exactly tell me why you are standing on the side of the fence you are.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:
Listen whoever comes here will have a leg up on the other guys probably. Question is who would be best with that leg up. Imo that's not Jones.

My point is that some people seem way too sure about who is going to succeed and who will fail and one constant about the draft is to expect the unexpected. I've seen way too many sure things flop and guys that no one thought would amount to anything became far better pro than college players.

That's why whether it's Lance, Jones, Fields or Wilson, I'm eager to see these guys develop and progress as quarterbacks in the NFL and I hope that whoever they choose, it'll be the right decision because out of those guys and Lawrence, you can pretty much count on two of them busting, maybe more.



I'll cheer for whoever they take and hope they got the good one, regardless of what the experts think.

I liked Mac Jones a lot at 12. IF he's the pick I'm going to hope he's better than Tom Brady and I'll be all in on him.

However if he doesn't come out lighting it up it will shut our window very quickly. Basically it will be a very stressful situation imo. We've all seen teams draft guys who were considered reaches at the time who end up being dominant and looking great in hind sight. But with all we gave up Jones basically has to be a Tom Brady type and quickly for the trade not to look terrible.

And for a prospect limited athletically the way he can prove he's worth all that is by stats and wins(aka team accomplishments)

it would be easier for the athletic QBs to prove their worth because making crazy plays happen even if the team has off days is easier to sell to people. Look at Mahomes in the SB this year. He had an awful game and yet you have people still praising him cuz of near completions.

Hope what I'm saying makes sense. Basically if Jones is the pick given the fan/media reactions he has to get to ultra levels out of the gate. The other guys are understood to be elite talents but need work. We pick Jones and he needs to be instant MVP type. The other guys get time to develop more before people come down on the trade.

God it's gonna be a long month.

You just compared a kid who's started 17 college games to Tom Brady. He's screwed. If he isn't Jesus in cleats this fan base will tear him and Kyle apart.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If he takes Jones it will fail.

You don't know that. This is just argumentative and we have another month to get by before we know the result for sure. So maybe people should ease up a bit. You are all entitled to your opinions but perhaps bear in mind that 90% of the posters here are also49ers fans, every bit as passionate and equally entitled to their opinion.

Yes I do. Look at how it evolved after a week and what i just said and posted yesterday. If he takes Jones and he's not the second coming of Montana the fan base will boo him and Kyle out on every failed pass attempt. Which scenario is more likely?

now if we took fields or Lance and they don't work out the fan base will be more forgiving because the perception will be they really swing for the fences, but missed. I 100% believe this cause we've seen it happen all the time.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If he takes Jones it will fail.

How? How can Jones be a Cousins clone or an equal to Jimmy and fail? We can't both say he's going to fail and be a clone of 2 successful QBs. His floor IMO are exactly what alot of people are saying he is. a Cousins or Jimmy Clone. Jimmy's only full season we had the #2 offense. Hell we had the #10 this year with Mullens.

I know the anti Jimmy crowd is going to bring up the running games as the reason we were #2 in offense. Which is partially true. We still had more passing yards than Wilson/Seashawks, Watson/Texans & Rodgers/Packers. Being a dual threat doesn't guarantee you what alot of you think it does.

Disclaimer: majority of this post is in general as your post doesn't exactly tell me why you are standing on the side of the fence you are.

What I've already said and if Jimmy couldn't win the super bowl why would his clone win? We've been there done that. People want the guy who BEAT our top defense and out scored our top offense in the SB. You know, a Mahomes type who can move around and scramble to extend a play and convert a 3-15 to a 1st and 10 in the red zone like he did to us.

I would LOVE to be wrong and Mac is amazing but everyone already points out probably 1 of these 5 will even pan out regardless lol.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If he takes Jones it will fail.

How? How can Jones be a Cousins clone or an equal to Jimmy and fail? We can't both say he's going to fail and be a clone of 2 successful QBs. His floor IMO are exactly what alot of people are saying he is. a Cousins or Jimmy Clone. Jimmy's only full season we had the #2 offense. Hell we had the #10 this year with Mullens.

I know the anti Jimmy crowd is going to bring up the running games as the reason we were #2 in offense. Which is partially true. We still had more passing yards than Wilson/Seashawks, Watson/Texans & Rodgers/Packers. Being a dual threat doesn't guarantee you what alot of you think it does.

Disclaimer: majority of this post is in general as your post doesn't exactly tell me why you are standing on the side of the fence you are.

1. His floor is not Jimmy or Cousins that is his ceiling,

2. If that is his ceiling... That is a failure for a #3 overall pick.

Originally posted by Jcool:
1. His floor is not Jimmy or Cousins that is his ceiling,

2. If that is his ceiling... That is a failure for a #3 overall pick.

We disagree on his floor and ceiling

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Jcool:
1. His floor is not Jimmy or Cousins that is his ceiling,

2. If that is his ceiling... That is a failure for a #3 overall pick.

We disagree on his floor and ceiling

FWIW his ceiling is not Tom Brady.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. You definitely fit the national "NY" stereotype: brazen, outspoken, opinionated, unwavering, aggressive, lacking tact, etc.

That said, I personally know you have conviction because you've done your h/w and you feel locked in as a result.

Anything that offsets that is going to trigger you.

At the end of the day, Kyle will have that same exact conviction but it may not be for your guy. That's what we need to remember here, right or wrong.

There is going to be some serious crow eaten for years to come whether he ends up being right or wrong. It's his career. We're just witness to it.

Lacking tact? I find that as bit of an insult NC We're in a forum and it's hard to express how someone is actually speaking...I mean I throw a LOL at the end of most of my stuff showing I'm not being an ass or overall that serious ….Some people see that as the opposite though, I have no idea how else to do it... I'm a horrible writer. Is what it is.

I'm actually one of the nicest dudes you'll meet in person. I go out of my way for a lot of people, I'm fiercely loyal as a friend, but enough about me lol.

It's also not about being triggered, it's about laying out all the meaningful facts. objective facts. People can have opinions, we all do. When your bases on someone like Jones is rooted in the idea he's the next Brady or he's some QB savant, I can't really take you that serious overall. Talent level does not match the compensation and that's just the truth of it.

One thing I will say is I have no problem eating crow, never had an issue being wrong. I will do my homework and have legit objective facts and reasoning for coming to a conclusion on a player...if I'm wrong I can live with that knowing I put in the time. I can also adjust how I evaluate a guy down the road (like mahomes).

If Jones goes somewhere and becomes Brady, I'll gladly say I was wrong...if he's not then I will say my homework was right.

Originally posted by Jcool:
FWIW his ceiling is not Tom Brady.

My floor for him has been a good Kirk Cousins and my ceiling was an almost the best of Matt Ryan.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If he takes Jones it will fail.

How? How can Jones be a Cousins clone or an equal to Jimmy and fail? We can't both say he's going to fail and be a clone of 2 successful QBs. His floor IMO are exactly what alot of people are saying he is. a Cousins or Jimmy Clone. Jimmy's only full season we had the #2 offense. Hell we had the #10 this year with Mullens.

I know the anti Jimmy crowd is going to bring up the running games as the reason we were #2 in offense. Which is partially true. We still had more passing yards than Wilson/Seashawks, Watson/Texans & Rodgers/Packers. Being a dual threat doesn't guarantee you what alot of you think it does.

Disclaimer: majority of this post is in general as your post doesn't exactly tell me why you are standing on the side of the fence you are.

1. His floor is not Jimmy or Cousins that is his ceiling,

2. If that is his ceiling... That is a failure for a #3 overall pick.

That is not his floor. Exactly.

His floor is Matt Barkley or Jimmy Clausen. There is no guarantee he ever becomes a regular NFL starter.