Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Jcool:

"Mac Jones to the 49ers doesn't make any sense."

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Great take!!!!!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
iM oBjEcTiVe aNd fAcTuAl

am I not? I'd say that's a fair assessment based on skill set and what other NFL evaluators have said as far as NFL comps...that's on point

OR we can just be dumb and say he's Tom Brady lol

Unless you can see into the future, no you aren't being factual. And by saying he can only be slightly better than Cousins, is not being objective.

You have zero clue how good or bad he can be.

If you want to say something like, imo hes not good, that is more than fine. But then dont call that being objective.

Originally posted by leonbanton:

Originally posted by Jcool:

"Mac Jones to the 49ers doesn't make any sense."

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Great take!!!!!!

Yup. This is what we are saying lol

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Jcool:
FWIW his ceiling is not Tom Brady.

My floor for him has been a good Kirk Cousins and my ceiling was an almost the best of Matt Ryan.

So his floor and ceiling are the same? Not sure ive seen that before.

Makes perfect sense. In a two story building, the floor of the 2nd story is the ceiling of the first.

jcool I was actually agreeing with you there lol

Technically, the floor of the second story is higher than the ceiling of the first story. We need to start specifying which floor we are talking about otherwise it's very confusing. To make it less confusing, we should start using "roof", not ceiling. And no, the ceiling is not the roof.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
to all the bolded. I'm just excited whether it's Mac or Fields or Lance. Heck, even before the trade, I was all in on Mills or Trask if we missed out on someone in the 1st. I trust Kyle. I trust him to get the best out of any of these QBs and we have the roster to help develop that.

Hey I know I can be a dick in here....I'm not gonna deny that I'm very passionate about the draft and of courses my Niners. I put a lot of time into watching, reading, listening to everything I can in regards to the draft.

I've been waiting for over 20 yrs for them to make a move like this and for people to tell me that Jones should be the pick and here's why....I simple can't relate or get on board with that.

If we trust Kyle to get the most out of any QB, why would it be the guy with the least amount of overall talent?

I can't believe we got a month left lol. My birthday is the 30th (so a night after the 1st rd) really hope it's a birthday

LOL. You definitely fit the national "NY" stereotype: brazen, outspoken, opinionated, unwavering, aggressive, lacking tact, etc.

That said, I personally know you have conviction because you've done your h/w and you feel locked in as a result.

Anything that offsets that is going to trigger you.

At the end of the day, Kyle will have that same exact conviction but it may not be for your guy. That's what we need to remember here, right or wrong.

There is going to be some serious crow eaten for years to come whether he ends up being right or wrong. It's his career. We're just witness to it.

If he takes Jones it will fail.

It could be a monster success too. You look at all of the most successful QB's over the past 30 years and skill sets are all OVER the place from top physical traits to embarrassing physical traits to quick processors to slower processors to average skills across the board (master of none) to top in-your-face to quiet leadership skills, etc.

If there was one formula, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And to think YOU know now as a fan when professionals have come nowhere close to being good at these evaluations, is a bit much.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by leonbanton:

Originally posted by Jcool:

"Mac Jones to the 49ers doesn't make any sense."

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— PFF (@PFF) April 2, 2021

Great take!!!!!!

Yup. This is what we are saying lol

It's why I'm trying to not stress so much (not working very well). Shanahan is one of the best offensive minds....and Mac makes no sense. That's why I'm hopeful.

Doesn't mean he's not a good prospect....doesn't mean he wouldn't be a great pick for teams without a QB....but it makes no sense for the Niners with JG to mortgage the future for just a cheaper/healthier version of JG from an upside perspective. You make the move for someone who can be a legit franchise player and difference maker. That's Fields or Lance.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Unless you can see into the future, no you aren't being factual. And by saying he can only be slightly better than Cousins, is not being objective.

You have zero clue how good or bad he can be.

If you want to say something like, imo hes not good, that is more than fine. But then dont call that being objective.

Lol then why are we even talking about ceiling/floors and comps then? How is applying what he was asked to do in college & what his traits are to similar prospects not being objective?

Go look at NFL comps for him

NFL.com- Daniel Jones
TDN-Andy Dalton
Walterfootabll-Matt Barkley
Pro football Network-Kirk Cousins
ESPN- Matt Ryan and Chad Pennington
Matt Miller-Chad Pennington
PFF-Derrick Carr

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Unless you can see into the future, no you aren't being factual. And by saying he can only be slightly better than Cousins, is not being objective.

You have zero clue how good or bad he can be.

If you want to say something like, imo hes not good, that is more than fine. But then dont call that being objective.

Lol then why are we even talking about ceiling/floors and comps then? How is applying what he was asked to do in college & what his traits are to similar prospects not being objective?

Go look at NFL comps for him

NFL.com- Daniel Jones
TDN-Andy Dalton
Walterfootabll-Matt Barkley
Pro football Network-Kirk Cousins
ESPN- Matt Ryan and Chad Pennington
Matt Miller-Chad Pennington
PFF-Derrick Carr

Derrick Carr lol wtf

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Unless you can see into the future, no you aren't being factual. And by saying he can only be slightly better than Cousins, is not being objective.

You have zero clue how good or bad he can be.

If you want to say something like, imo hes not good, that is more than fine. But then dont call that being objective.

Lol then why are we even talking about ceiling/floors and comps then? How is applying what he was asked to do in college & what his traits are to similar prospects not being objective?

Go look at NFL comps for him

NFL.com- Daniel Jones
TDN-Andy Dalton
Walterfootabll-Matt Barkley
Pro football Network-Kirk Cousins
ESPN- Matt Ryan and Chad Pennington
Matt Miller-Chad Pennington
PFF-Derrick Carr

Imagine giving up 3 first round picks for a guy you hope can one day be as good as Chad Pennington....

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Unless you can see into the future, no you aren't being factual. And by saying he can only be slightly better than Cousins, is not being objective.

You have zero clue how good or bad he can be.

If you want to say something like, imo hes not good, that is more than fine. But then dont call that being objective.

Lol then why are we even talking about ceiling/floors and comps then? How is applying what he was asked to do in college & what his traits are to similar prospects not being objective?

Go look at NFL comps for him

NFL.com- Daniel Jones
TDN-Andy Dalton
Walterfootabll-Matt Barkley
Pro football Network-Kirk Cousins
ESPN- Matt Ryan and Chad Pennington
Matt Miller-Chad Pennington
PFF-Derrick Carr

Ya, its called a comparison. Its different from you so brazenly saying he won't be good or best case hes a lesser Ryan.

No writer is gonna put Brady up there, but you are acting like its impossible for him to ever become close to that good. Which is not a fact. A fact is something that is irrefutable.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You just compared a kid who's started 17 college games to Tom Brady. He's screwed. If he isn't Jesus in cleats this fan base will tear him and Kyle apart.

You're correct. That was my point earlier. The trade to #3 and the presence of guys like Fields and Lance who have elite level potential would make the pick of Jones over those guys be incredibly dangerous for the front office.

I think if you take a poll of all 49er fans you'll get a resounding positive response on their feelings towards Shanahan.

Take Jones at 3....that responsive takes a huge hit imo. So the window for Kyle to have success and not minor with Jones drops considerably.

it doesn't mean Jones is doomed to failure in making that pick/trade seem worthwhile but it would be a very puzzling move that has to prove dividends almost instantly.

it's a move which certainly doesn't make sense in the context of them wanting to keep Jimmy to start this year(which of course could be BS)

Originally posted by NCommand:
It could be a monster success too. You look at all of the most successful QB's over the past 30 years and skill sets are all OVER the place from top physical traits to embarrassing physical traits to quick processors to slower processors to average skills across the board (master of none) to top in-your-face to quiet leadership skills, etc.

If there was one formula, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And to think YOU know now as a fan when professionals have come nowhere close to being good at these evaluations, is a bit much.

The NFL isn't the same as it was 30 years ago... Rules are different, play calling is different, overall talent and WHO is learning to play QB at a young age is much different then 30 years ago.

The fact that there hasn't been a successful QB with his skill set drafted in the past 5 yrs is proof of that. There are dudes that can play like him that come out every yr, they just don't happen to play on Bama and put up stupid numbers like he did. Like I said if Jones played for Iowa he wouldn't be a top 10 pick, not even close.

Originally posted by Niners418:
It's why I'm trying to not stress so much (not working very well). Shanahan is one of the best offensive minds....and Mac makes no sense. That's why I'm hopeful.

Doesn't mean he's not a good prospect....doesn't mean he wouldn't be a great pick for teams without a QB....but it makes no sense for the Niners with JG to mortgage the future for just a cheaper/healthier version of JG from an upside perspective. You make the move for someone who can be a legit franchise player and difference maker. That's Fields or Lance.

I keep seeing this comp. Can someone elaborate on this comp.?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It could be a monster success too. You look at all of the most successful QB's over the past 30 years and skill sets are all OVER the place from top physical traits to embarrassing physical traits to quick processors to slower processors to average skills across the board (master of none) to top in-your-face to quiet leadership skills, etc.

If there was one formula, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And to think YOU know now as a fan when professionals have come nowhere close to being good at these evaluations, is a bit much.

The NFL isn't the same as it was 30 years ago... Rules are different, play calling is different, overall talent and WHO is learning to play QB at a young age is much different then 30 years ago.

The fact that there hasn't been a successful QB with his skill set drafted in the past 5 yrs is proof of that. There are dudes that can play like him that come out every yr, they just don't happen to play on Bama and put up stupid numbers like he did. Like I said if Jones played for Iowa he wouldn't be a top 10 pick, not even close.

if he played for Iowa and put up these numbers this wouldn't even be a debate. There would be no talk of Iowa's surrounding cast that made him good.

Steve Young: 'No question' that Zach Wilson is the 'first choice' of the 49ers

Is this where we say Steve is full of s**t and he's just pumping up an alumni?