Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

This was exactly me and my girlfriend last night after yall stressing me in this thread

Originally posted by gold49digger:
One thing that is known is that Kyle has his dad watch film too. And Mike loves his big strong athletic guys like young, Elway, and cutler. You have to think that Mike is influencing him into getting lance or fields.

It's very possible.

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Originally posted by thl408:
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Where did it go????

Nvm

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by leonbanton:

Originally posted by Jcool:

"Mac Jones to the 49ers doesn't make any sense."

🗣️ @PFF_Steve pic.twitter.com/kD4DMauZyF

— PFF (@PFF) April 2, 2021

Great take!!!!!!

Yup. This is what we are saying lol

Man man man...there are other posts and threads where Im trying to say the same thing. You dont trade up for a slightly better Jimmy or Cousins. Which I believe is the ceiling for Mac Jones, maybe Matt Ryan, maybe. He is not the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady and thats unfair to him but when a team trades that much draft capital it needs to be for a SPECIAL player. Not just a slightly better Jimmy. The pick had better be Fields or Lance. At least they are dynamic with loads of upside. Even if they bust they make more sense than Mac. Mac Jones "talent" is a dime a dozen.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol can you imagine

Bucky Brooks says Mac Jones is not as good as Jared Goff or Jimmy Garoppolo.

— Larry Krueger (@sportslarryknbr) April 2, 2021

f**k me

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It could be a monster success too. You look at all of the most successful QB's over the past 30 years and skill sets are all OVER the place from top physical traits to embarrassing physical traits to quick processors to slower processors to average skills across the board (master of none) to top in-your-face to quiet leadership skills, etc.

If there was one formula, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And to think YOU know now as a fan when professionals have come nowhere close to being good at these evaluations, is a bit much.

The NFL isn't the same as it was 30 years ago... Rules are different, play calling is different, overall talent and WHO is learning to play QB at a young age is much different then 30 years ago.

The fact that there hasn't been a successful QB with his skill set drafted in the past 5 yrs is proof of that. There are dudes that can play like him that come out every yr, they just don't happen to play on Bama and put up stupid numbers like he did. Like I said if Jones played for Iowa he wouldn't be a top 10 pick, not even close.

Sure it is. You still had cannon arms like Elway with quick-release QB's like Marino and deep ball masters like Moon, insane athletes like Michael Vick, etc.

Today, they're just different names but varying skill sets remain, all over the place.

Name one great pure pocket passer in the NFL under the age of 30?

Originally posted by hubbyt:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by leonbanton:

Originally posted by Jcool:

"Mac Jones to the 49ers doesn't make any sense."

🗣️ @PFF_Steve pic.twitter.com/kD4DMauZyF

— PFF (@PFF) April 2, 2021

Great take!!!!!!

Yup. This is what we are saying lol

Man man man...there are other posts and threads where Im trying to say the same thing. You dont trade up for a slightly better Jimmy or Cousins. Which I believe is the ceiling for Mac Jones, maybe Matt Ryan, maybe. He is not the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady and thats unfair to him but when a team trades that much draft capital it needs to be for a SPECIAL player. Not just a slightly better Jimmy. The pick had better be Fields or Lance. At least they are dynamic with loads of upside. Even if they bust they make more sense than Mac. Mac Jones "talent" is a dime a dozen.

I'll also echo these thoughts. I said the exact same thing before this video was posted. Mac did not elevate his team any single game I watched. He managed it perfectly and made safe plays and did really well at it.

I'm also not advocating for any of the other qbs. I just focused more on Mac wanting to love him but the opposite happened.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Name one great pure pocket passer in the NFL under the age of 30?

Mac Jones

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Name one great pure pocket passer in the NFL under the age of 30?

Mac Jones

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Steve Young: 'No question' that Zach Wilson is the 'first choice' of the 49ers

Is this where we say Steve is full of s**t and he's just pumping up an alumni?

i think thats obvious he's Tier 1B to Lawrence 1A. These 3 QBs we are talking about are all in the Tier 2.

I just dont see Jets passing on Wilson at all so its kind of a moot point even discussing drafting him imo

I agree. I don't see it either. Jets are taking Wilson.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It could be a monster success too. You look at all of the most successful QB's over the past 30 years and skill sets are all OVER the place from top physical traits to embarrassing physical traits to quick processors to slower processors to average skills across the board (master of none) to top in-your-face to quiet leadership skills, etc.

If there was one formula, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And to think YOU know now as a fan when professionals have come nowhere close to being good at these evaluations, is a bit much.

30 years ago Lamar Jackson is playing WR not winning an MVP as a QB. Times change. You either get on board or get left behind.

LOL. You never heard of Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham?

Fran Tarkenton!

Originally posted by Giedi:
Fran Tarkenton!

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's not so much that Fields is terrible at the mental aspects of the position (although he has been objectively bad at recognizing blitzes — something I was skeptical of a few weeks ago until I watched more of him). But that's not it. It's not Fields being horrid at the mental aspects of the position. It's that McKorkle is unusually good at the mental aspects of the position.

And it's something that can absolutely be coached. These prospects are like 20-22 yrs old. You're not drafting someone based on what they can do overall right now BUT what they can do yrs from now...it's a reason why Jimmy will be the starter and you let someone with a massive ceiling like Lance/fields sit for a yr.

To an extent, if you have the right guy. Most QBs -- the vast majority -- never improve more than incrementally at the mental side of the position. Certainly not before their thirties usually.

That said, there are some exceptions (Steve Young, John Elway), and more importantly, there are things you can do schematically that make that less of an important factor.

The QB when reading a defense is facing a puzzle, I think Joe Montana said it's like driving through a red light with a lot of cross street high speed traffic and trying not to hit any cars. Defenses are constantly trying to cross up the speed reading tells that a QB relies on to figure out who to go to. I.e. defenses figure out a QB and shut him down example. The QB's that learn how to solve the puzzle faster than defenses can create that puzzle will win. There are just some brains out there that can't figure the puzzle out. A nephew of a friend of mine can solve rubic's cubes (all the different variations) no problem, but he's the only one that he knows of that can do that. It takes time to learn the pattern solution, it takes initiative and persistence to get the solutions into muscle memory, and it takes somebody interested in doing it, versus somebody with a passing fancy. Not everybody can solve the rubic's cube due to lack of interest, lack of persistence, or lack of talent, just like being an NFL QB.

I think the above is what makes it hard to be an NFL QB.

I've been unclear with my language.

I am NOT talking about reading defenses. Colin Kaepernick was decent at reading defenses (only the football ignorant think he couldn't read a defense).

I'm talking about something more subtle. I was more clear in my last post. It's a visual instinct I'm referring to. Kind of like how Russell Wilson has that spatial awareness where he magically knows someone's about to grab him. A combination of all five senses working together to tell him what's coming.

Well, some QBs have something similar when it comes to gauging motion, movement, and location with their WRs, DBs, and pass rushers. It is NOT about intelligence. Kaepernick is a smart guy and he didn't have this. Same with Alex Smith. Alex Smith became a master at reading defenses and he didn't have this well enough to be what he could have been.

The closest thing I could think of to describe it is the state of mind you are in when you are juggling. You're not looking at any one ball, at least not for more than a brief moment. You're certainly not looking at them as they fall into your hand. You can't, or you'll lose the rest of them. You have a feel for the trajectories of the balls.

It's something similar to that that some guys have and some guys struggle with throughout their career. I guess you could just call it vision, but it affects everything. It affects how quickly you get the ball out ("processing," even though really it's not processing in the sense of figuring out what the defense is doing, it's just something that can slow down your reaction to that); it affects where you throw the ball as well, but most of all it affects how quickly you get the ball to where you know it's supposed to go. How quickly you find the hole.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Fran Tarkenton!