Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting. Then you should stop measuring 40 times and start measuring scramble drill times.

They are going to stop measuring 40 times. They will have GPS data soon and know exactly how fast someone is in an actual game situation.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Latest B/R Top 150: (Jones is there, have to scroll a bit)

1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson (9.5)
2. Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State (9.2)
3. Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida (9.1)
4. Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon (9.0)
5. DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama (8.9)
6. Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State (8.75)
7. Zach Wilson, QB, BYU (8.7)
8. Landon Dickerson, IOL, Alabama (8.7)
9. Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota (8.65)
10. Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU (8.6)
11. Alijah Vera-Tucker, IOL, USC (8.6)
12. Daviyon Nixon, DL, Iowa (8.51)
13. Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma St. (8.5)
14. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame (8.5)
15. Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern (8.4)
16. Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama (8.4)
17. Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama (8.4)
18. Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech (8.3)
19. Trevon Moehrig, S, TCU (8.3)
20. Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State (8.3)
21. Kwity Paye, Edge, Michigan (8.2)
22. Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern (8.2)
23. Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina (8.2)
24. Zaven Collins, LB, Tulsa (8.11)
25. Creed Humphrey, IOL, Oklahoma (8.1)
26. Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech (8.1)
27. Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame (8.0)
28. Najee Harris, RB, Alabama (8.0)
29. Elijah Moore, WR, Mississippi (7.92)
30. Christian Barmore, DL, Alabama (7.91)
31. Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina (7.91)
32. Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama (7.9)
33. Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue (7.9)
34. Terrace Marshall Jr., WR, LSU (7.9)
35. Rashad Weaver, Edge, Pittsburgh (7.9)
36. Wyatt Davis, IOL, Ohio State (7.9)
37. Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina (7.9)
38. Jay Tufele, DL, USC (7.83)
39. Azeez Ojulari, Edge, Georgia (7.82)
40. Joseph Ossai, Edge, Texas (7.81)

41. Mac Jones, QB, Alabama (7.8)

Man. We b effed.

ICYMI

SF didn't give up 3 1st rd picks for a system QB. All the BS in the media is just that BS fluff right now.

It's their jobs to create conflict and get more people talking...

if everyone said well it's Fields or Lance, then what would we be talking about? They're suppose to go that high for a reason. Conflict and debate is what helps generate cash for all those guys.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Nope. 272, 218, 308 yds rushing. 200-300 yds is hardly an immobile pocket guy.Think Brady-esque, less than 120 ydsseason. 8yds per game roughly.

LOL. That's nothing.

Zactly, Brady is the definitive pocket passer. Mahomes 300% more rushing yards

Too funny.

Pocket passers = < 150 (Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Ryan, Brady, Goff, Mayfield, Herbert, etc.)
Pocket passers with mobility = < 300 (Mahomes, Tannehill)
Athletic QB's = > 300 (Wilson, Allen, Jackson, Watson)

Still a massive minority for playoff teams.

Do you have a preference?

Geez if u r gonna quote stats at least get em right: Herbert 234yds 5td in 15 games. 234>150. You're the only one who thinks Mahomes is a pocket passer, good on you. Lol.

Rodgers age 36, 37 seasons were his only season he did not have 200 yds rushing g when he played a full 16 games.

Kyler Murray doesn't count I guess, 500+ and 800+.

So that leaves me Brees (retired), Brady great but almost retired, Ben (Whiny and almost retired,), Ryan (not quite as retired but close) , Mayfield (meh), and Goff (horrible)

I'll definitely take the third group every single day going foward.

No matter how you spin it, it goes against your original take.

I'll give you Herbert because of when he started but again, the mass majority are pocket first, run last with the mass majority under 300 yards for 16 games. Which is not significant at all.

Hell, even Joe Montana had a career rushing of 1,676 yards and 20 touchdowns. Too funny.

You all are acting like every athletic QB coming out is going to rush for 1,200 yards like Lamar Jackson and it's a major threat.

No matter, it's still "pocket first" no matter the style of QB and no matter the offense (unless you're Greg Roman).

Just going to have to agree to disagree, you have you view of pocket passer and I have mine.. They are way different.. But rewatch the last two SBs, tell me how often Mahomes is just sitting there in the pocket, never trying to move or create. Not a pocket QB.

Mac Jones 14 yds rushing last year. 110 seasons and he'd almost catch Montana.

It's all good.

I personally want that pocket-first QB too who badly wants to master that first and only use that mobility to extend plays behind the LOS safely and on designed runs on an overly aggressive defense (like when we punked Charles Haley with Steve Young or Alex Smith on the keeper against the Saints).

I want that Montana QB ability with Young escapability and speed.

That's that 2nd bucket for me (Mahomes). Balance!

No biggie. I just want it all.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting. Then you should stop measuring 40 times and start measuring scramble drill times.

They are going to stop measuring 40 times. They will have GPS data soon and know exactly how fast someone is in an actual game situation.

Can't wait. The combine in 3 years is going to be QB's wearing red and being chased by bulls to determine their ability to anticipate pressure, their escapability and stamina for doing it for extended timed periods.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Mac Jones is as athletic as Montana?
Joe wasn´t as mobile as Steve but he was quite athletic.
He wasn´t just one of the best pocket passers of his era.
Like I said yesterday, I hope Mac has a strong mental because he will have an unbelievable pressure on his shoulders if he ´s drafted here. The amount of hate he gets these days is quite something and now you have dumbasses like Grant who quote the "great" Jim Mora Jr with that b******t.
Mac Jones is without a doubt a first rounder, maybe even a top 15 pick in this draft. A top 3 pick in this draft with this QB Class? I don´t think so specially for three first rounders. We´ll see.

Simple internet search says Joe ran a 4.7....Mac ran a 4.68.

Mac's numbers show he's actually more athletic than Goff and right up with with Baker.

Just to throw this out there Emmit Smith ran a 4.7 at the combine.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting. Then you should stop measuring 40 times and start measuring scramble drill times.

They are going to stop measuring 40 times. They will have GPS data soon and know exactly how fast someone is in an actual game situation.

Unless you're QB is running a 4.4 then a 40 time doesn't really matter...if you want to look at any Athletic measurables with QBs it's the SS and 3-come that matter most.

being able to react quickly in small spaces...his 3-cone (at his pro day mind you) was the same as Jimmy G who weighed 10lbs more. His SS (at his pro day) was the same as Chad Henne who's 230lbs.

his athletic measurements are right on par with Nathan Peterman who was actually and he's 10lbs bigger.

Perhaps Mac Jones completes a 5% higher rate in 2022.
Out of 400 attempts = 20 more completions per year = ~200 extra passing yards per year.

However a Trey Lance would add:
* Additional 500+ rushing yards
* Greater Durability = much less likely to be injured (very important, as they found out with Garopolo)
* QB runs open up the field for more variety of play calling to keep defense off balance
* Adds diversity so they can't call us "racist"! j/k

Plus Lance is 2 years younger than Mac and is still growing and improving both mentally and physically.
He grew an inch last year and is now over 6'4" (and also gaining athleticism)
Smart = had offers from Ivy League schools
Only 20 y/o, loves to study film, quick learner = will improve enormously
Already has excellent vision, but with some time he will very likely become a much better passer

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting. Then you should stop measuring 40 times and start measuring scramble drill times.

They are going to stop measuring 40 times. They will have GPS data soon and know exactly how fast someone is in an actual game situation.

Unless you're QB is running a 4.4 then a 40 time doesn't really matter...if you want to look at any Athletic measurables with QBs it's the SS and 3-come that matter most.

being able to react quickly in small spaces...his 3-cone (at his pro day mind you) was the same as Jimmy G who weighed 10lbs more. His SS (at his pro day) was the same as Chad Henne who's 230lbs.

his athletic measurements are right on par with Nathan Peterman who was actually and he's 10lbs bigger.

Lol you gonna make some people mad

Originally posted by jcs:
Simple internet search says Joe ran a 4.7....Mac ran a 4.68.

Mac's numbers show he's actually more athletic than Goff and right up with with Baker.

Just to throw this out Emmit Smith there ran a 4.7 at the combine.

Mac ran a 4.72 and that's at a pro day. Baker is not athletic BUT he most certainly moves outside the pocket and makes throws on the move. Jones does not.

Jones' SS was a 4.39 and his 3-cone was a 7.04 that's not good for a guy that weighs 217 lbs. (at a pro day no less).

that's another thing, he's not big at all. Zach Wilson who gets called out for size is just as big as him (and actually in shape).

Emmitt Smith according to google ran a 4.52 at his pro day (since we're talking about pro day numbers).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1990-03-17-9001290858-story,amp.html

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Interesting. Then you should stop measuring 40 times and start measuring scramble drill times.

They are going to stop measuring 40 times. They will have GPS data soon and know exactly how fast someone is in an actual game situation.

Unless you're QB is running a 4.4 then a 40 time doesn't really matter...if you want to look at any Athletic measurables with QBs it's the SS and 3-come that matter most.

being able to react quickly in small spaces...his 3-cone (at his pro day mind you) was the same as Jimmy G who weighed 10lbs more. His SS (at his pro day) was the same as Chad Henne who's 230lbs.

his athletic measurements are right on par with Nathan Peterman who was actually and he's 10lbs bigger.

After the bull drill, they'll have QB's prove how well they can move within an actual phone booth.

Originally posted by NCommand:

I just want it all.

Trey Lance!

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Lol you gonna make some people mad

It's all true!

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I just want it all.

Trey Lance!

Oh you SOB!

...next week

Haha.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Lol you gonna make some people mad

It's all true!

People hate the truth. How haven't you figured that out

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Unless you're QB is running a 4.4 then a 40 time doesn't really matter...if you want to look at any Athletic measurables with QBs it's the SS and 3-come that matter most.

being able to react quickly in small spaces...his 3-cone (at his pro day mind you) was the same as Jimmy G who weighed 10lbs more. His SS (at his pro day) was the same as Chad Henne who's 230lbs.

his athletic measurements are right on par with Nathan Peterman who was actually and he's 10lbs bigger.

Where is the link? I can't find that