Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Nope. 272, 218, 308 yds rushing. 200-300 yds is hardly an immobile pocket guy.Think Brady-esque, less than 120 ydsseason. 8yds per game roughly.

LOL. That's nothing.

Zactly, Brady is the definitive pocket passer. Mahomes 300% more rushing yards

Too funny.

Pocket passers = < 150 (Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Ryan, Brady, Goff, Mayfield, Herbert, etc.)
Pocket passers with mobility = < 300 (Mahomes, Tannehill)
Athletic QB's = > 300 (Wilson, Allen, Jackson, Watson)

Still a massive minority for playoff teams.

Do you have a preference?

Geez if u r gonna quote stats at least get em right: Herbert 234yds 5td in 15 games. 234>150. You're the only one who thinks Mahomes is a pocket passer, good on you. Lol.

Rodgers age 36, 37 seasons were his only season he did not have 200 yds rushing g when he played a full 16 games.

Kyler Murray doesn't count I guess, 500+ and 800+.

So that leaves me Brees (retired), Brady great but almost retired, Ben (Whiny and almost retired,), Ryan (not quite as retired but close) , Mayfield (meh), and Goff (horrible)

I'll definitely take the third group every single day going foward.

No matter how you spin it, it goes against your original take.

I'll give you Herbert because of when he started but again, the mass majority are pocket first, run last with the mass majority under 300 yards for 16 games. Which is not significant at all.

Hell, even Joe Montana had a career rushing of 1,676 yards and 20 touchdowns. Too funny.

You all are acting like every athletic QB coming out is going to rush for 1,200 yards like Lamar Jackson and it's a major threat.

No matter, it's still "pocket first" no matter the style of QB and no matter the offense (unless you're Greg Roman).

Just going to have to agree to disagree, you have you view of pocket passer and I have mine.. They are way different.. But rewatch the last two SBs, tell me how often Mahomes is just sitting there in the pocket, never trying to move or create. Not a pocket QB.

Mac Jones 14 yds rushing last year. 110 seasons and he'd almost catch Montana.

It's all good.

I personally want that pocket-first QB too who badly wants to master that first and only use that mobility to extend plays behind the LOS safely and on designed runs on an overly aggressive defense (like when we punked Charles Haley with Steve Young or Alex Smith on the keeper against the Saints).

I want that Montana QB ability with Young escapability and speed.

That's that 2nd bucket for me (Mahomes). Balance!

No biggie. I just want it all.

watch the whole video

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Simple internet search says Joe ran a 4.7....Mac ran a 4.68.

Mac's numbers show he's actually more athletic than Goff and right up with with Baker.

Just to throw this out Emmit Smith there ran a 4.7 at the combine.

Mac ran a 4.72 and that's at a pro day. Baker is not athletic BUT he most certainly moves outside the pocket and makes throws on the move. Jones does not.

Jones' SS was a 4.39 and his 3-cone was a 7.04 that's not good for a guy that weighs 217 lbs. (at a pro day no less).

that's another thing, he's not big at all. Zach Wilson who gets called out for size is just as big as him (and actually in shape).

Emmitt Smith according to google ran a 4.52 at his pro day (since we're talking about pro day numbers).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1990-03-17-9001290858-story,amp.html

If we're talking about Fields low of 4.44 as his set time then Mac's low at 4.68 should be propped up as both numbers came at pro days. Reality is Fields should probably have a combine 40 around 4.53 and Mac around 4.77.

Not sure where you're getting 7.04 is a bad 3 cone. Bad is Goff who pulled a 7.17 or even Matt Ryan who managed a 7.40.

His SS at 4.39 puts Jones up there with J.Herbert who ran a 4.46 or Jordan Love who ran a 4.52 last year.

You know what doesn't get brought up though is his 32" vertical and 9'8" Broad jump with show much better athleticism than our own Jimmy who had a 30" vertical and 9'2" broad jump and Jimmy did this ripped and maxed out vs Jones who in an NFL weight room clearly has room to improve.

Mac Jones comes from an athletic family, his parents both played tennis in college and his dad was also a semi pro who played in qualifiers at the British and french opens. This kind of information was tossed around to push Josh Rosens genetics and athleticism during his draft but for Mac they get turned into disqualifies because he can't run a 4.4 40. He's athletic enough to be successful as a QB in the NFL. He's athletic enough to be drafted in the top 5 of the Draft. He's not the Statue that too many here want to portray him as.

Side note-
E.Smith's pro day numbers were pretty screwy...there was a claim he also ran in the 4.4...but it gets tossed out because he supposedly cheated. Looking back at his combine it was 4.7 and yes he played faster with pads on but wasn't burning long runs at a regular clip in the NFL.

See told you NY

Originally posted by LilLeeroy:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Something about this "second read passer rating" I keep seeing here.

In 2019, this same state had Aaron Rodgers going from 96.5 on his first read to 74.9 on his second read.

It had Patrick Mahomes going from 105 on his first read to 89.

What is this stat and why is it the end all be all when it says that Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes are s**t tier at their second read?

This is all dumb. The only thing that matters is the tape. Period.

I do agree it is normally a bad, that is almost entirely dependent on play calls and of course you want passer rating to be better on the first read than otherwise.

But in this case after weeks of seeing, "Justin Fields is terrible once you shut down his first read while Mac Jones can spread out to everyone" it is kind of funny.

Who is saying that precise statement? I'm not. I said, after being persuaded by 49ersBigMac to look at certain aspects of his games, that he seems to not recognize blitzes as often as other guys. I've seen Fields manipulate a pocket, too, so he's not incapable of doing that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Something about this "second read passer rating" I keep seeing here.

In 2019, this same state had Aaron Rodgers going from 96.5 on his first read to 74.9 on his second read.

It had Patrick Mahomes going from 105 on his first read to 89.

What is this stat and why is it the end all be all when it says that Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes are s**t tier at their second read?

This is all dumb. The only thing that matters is the tape. Period.

Then why are people b***hing about fields and progressions? If every player is better on their first read who cares?

also it's pointing out that he's not some ridiculous heady QB either. Went all the way to 59th in the league after his first read was gone. Meanwhile Fields was 3rd overall in college football after his 1st read.

I don't know. I'm b***hing about his ability to see the open guy, which is something different. And again, he's not terrible at it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Not sure what that matters. extending the play is extending the play.

I have no idea why some people in here hate the idea of having a QB that can move, extend plays, and be mobile enough to protect themselves? It's the NFL and you have 22 players on the field...to think you can run your offense perfectly all game every week is foolish and plain stupid.

It makes no sense...Lawrence and Wilson run a ton and I have yet to see a person in here saying they wouldn't want him lol. What the hell is the problem here?

I don't think many people hate that idea. As has been said before, most of the people arguing "for Jones" aren't actually "for Jones;" they are playing the Devil's advocate because they are convinced Shanahan is going to take Jones. I'm back to preferring Lance again, so it ain't me. But I'm in here arguing for him because there's this ridiculous notion -- shared by you -- that Jones is exchangeable with some random midround guy, which is ludicrous.

Maybe Jones was sand bagging? Lol.

So just for 💩s and 😁s I did a polling of ten top 100 overall positional ranking. I know Mac-lovers, they don't mean s**t....i think they mean a little.

For Mac Jones, QB, Alabama:
PFF: #13
Pro Football Network: #20
Britney Weissman, Draft Network: #23
Draftek: #25
Sporting News: #27
Daniel Jeremiah: #32
Bleacher Report: #41
SB Nation: #65
Draft Network Consensus: #65
Kyle Crabbs, Draft Network: 79.....holy f**k

PFF who 'make up stats' had him the highest. Lol

Fields was never out of top 10 in any of these rankings.

Damn man the media is doing him really dirty. He did everything the right way and he's going through the gutter just cause we traded up. I'm getting confident he is not the guy but damn I hope he does succeed wherever he goes to.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Damn man the media is doing him really dirty. He did everything the right way and he's going through the gutter just cause we traded up. I'm getting confident he is not the guy but damn I hope he does succeed wherever he goes to.

Well who ever is picked at 3 will be the most scrutinized as they costed the most to draft.

Originally posted by Jcool:
watch the whole video

"Mac Jones is really good in a lot of areas."

-@NFLFilms @gregcosell gave us the skinny on the #RollTide QB and what he likes about #NDSU Trey Lance just four weeks until the #NFLDraft: pic.twitter.com/fK3mfmCN5a

— Rich Eisen Show (@RichEisenShow) April 2, 2021

Yup listen to this, like I said I feel Ike Cosell loves him some Lance

I'm thinking the bluff is this:
49ers outward expression of love for Mac Jones is meant to keep the other teams guessing if 49ers will select either Fields or Lance ('cause they are not picking Jones). 49ers guess is that a team out there that prefers Fields or Lance over Wilson. Since that team does not know what the 49ers will do, their only hope is to trade to #2, in which case Wilson falls to the 49ers. If Wilson is picked #2, then 49ers will pick their alternate (I think Fields).

Originally posted by hummbabybear:
I'm thinking the bluff is this:
49ers outward expression of love for Mac Jones is meant to keep the other teams guessing if 49ers will select either Fields or Lance ('cause they are not picking Jones). 49ers guess is that a team out there that prefers Fields or Lance over Wilson. Since that team does not know what the 49ers will do, their only hope is to trade to #2, in which case Wilson falls to the 49ers. If Wilson is picked #2, then 49ers will pick their alternate (I think Fields).

Thats some Area 51/ grassy knoll stuff right there.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by hummbabybear:
I'm thinking the bluff is this:
49ers outward expression of love for Mac Jones is meant to keep the other teams guessing if 49ers will select either Fields or Lance ('cause they are not picking Jones). 49ers guess is that a team out there that prefers Fields or Lance over Wilson. Since that team does not know what the 49ers will do, their only hope is to trade to #2, in which case Wilson falls to the 49ers. If Wilson is picked #2, then 49ers will pick their alternate (I think Fields).

Thats some Area 51/ grassy knoll stuff right there.

Area 51 was confirmed to be true. Well it's existence at least