Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I still don't understand why Jones is the only "on script" QB and Fields is an "off script" QB.

Still don't understand how we went from Jones will only reach his ceiling in a Shannahan offense to Shannahans offence will only reach it's ceiling with Jones.

I just want Dan Marino. Is that too much to ask?

Nope. His release is still quick, arm strength not what is was, still a pure pocket passer, not in very good shape....hey just like Mac.

I can see the entire webzobe implode if Mac is the choice. Its going to be an insane day for sure.

If fields had a dui he'd go in a later round... why does Mac get no mention of dui?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
We very nearly won one with Jimmy, apart from the release I don't see what Jimmy does much better.

Mac could execute everything Kyle wants and just run it efficiently, coupled with a great D, and keeping the weapons healthy, that's enough.

My point is that we don't have to trash him to prop up other guys.

I completely agree. There's some real hate going on that is completely unnecessary.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
We very nearly won one with Jimmy, apart from the release I don't see what Jimmy does much better.

Mac could execute everything Kyle wants and just run it efficiently, coupled with a great D, and keeping the weapons healthy, that's enough.

My point is that we don't have to trash him to prop up other guys.

Mad respect!

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I disagree we win SBs with Jones, games yes...SBs no.

We very nearly won one with Jimmy, apart from the release I don't see what Jimmy does much better.

Mac could execute everything Kyle wants and just run it efficiently, coupled with a great D, and keeping the weapons healthy, that's enough.

My point is that we don't have to trash him to prop up other guys.

Mac like Jimmy will need everything to be perfect to even get to one super bowl. That's my problem with him. We might as well just keep Jimmy if that's what we're looking for...

you can not expect everything to be perfect all yr every yr, especially the way injuries happen and the fact that not every play can be executed perfectly. This is the NFL not Bama vs whoever.

You don't use the words "that's enough" when you're trying to sell a fan base on the next FQB for a decade that you burned 3 1sts on. Nope.

and honestly after watching his pro day again, I don't even like his attitude. Laughing after missing throws, joking during the interviews...meanwhile Fields/Lance are all business. It's a job interview. Like Hero said, Mac looks like someone you can play beer pong with lol.... If the roles were reversed it would be yet another shot against Lance/fields. Weird how that works

Originally posted by krizay:
Mad respect!

Then let's keep Jimmy

Originally posted by cortana49:
I completely agree. There's some real hate going on that is completely unnecessary.

The hate is more based on the fact that he's actually being pushed as a legit option...it's not his fault the media has run with this.

you listen to any reasonable draft evaluator talk about this and that's what they say...it's not about hating on Mac and more that he's simply not on the same level as the other 4 QBs in this draft.

Originally posted by fan49:
If fields had a dui he'd go in a later round... why does Mac get no mention of dui?

Just plays off as a dumb college kid. Happens....if it's Fields or Lance their character is in question no doubt.

Mac goofing around at his pro day, laughing when missing throws and giggling during his interview is all good no problem...roles reversed people would question their commitment/work ethic.

Hey just what I want...a guy with a DUI, eats cookies before bed and looking like a frat boy you'd be doing keg stands with lol....but yeah let's not be so harsh on him. wtf

The problem for Mac Jones is that he is in a top heavy QB class.
In 2019 for example, he would be quite easily the second best QB prospect.
But he´s still a first rounder.
He´s at least on Tua level for me as a prospect. Tua didn´t have an incredible arm either.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I still don't understand why Jones is the only "on script" QB and Fields is an "off script" QB.

Still don't understand how we went from Jones will only reach his ceiling in a Shannahan offense to Shannahans offence will only reach it's ceiling with Jones.

I just want Dan Marino. Is that too much to ask?

Nope. His release is still quick, arm strength not what is was, still a pure pocket passer, not in very good shape....hey just like Mac.

I can see the entire webzobe implode if Mac is the choice. Its going to be an insane day for sure.

Yeah, there's going to be an uproar if Mac is the pick. It's going to be crazy.

Originally posted by pdc20:
The problem for Mac Jones is that he is in a top heavy QB class.
In 2019 for example, he would be quite easily the second best QB prospect.
But he´s still a first rounder.
He´s at least on Tua level for me as a prospect. Tua didn´t have an incredible arm either.

Tua as a prospect was better at everything compared to Mac....look how he played this yr.

he's just not on the level of the other guys.

Also, if Mac was in better shape - he'd be taken more seriously. Dude needs to grow up.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Nope. 272, 218, 308 yds rushing. 200-300 yds is hardly an immobile pocket guy.Think Brady-esque, less than 120 ydsseason. 8yds per game roughly.

LOL. That's nothing.

Zactly, Brady is the definitive pocket passer. Mahomes 300% more rushing yards

Too funny.

Pocket passers = < 150 (Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Ryan, Brady, Goff, Mayfield, Herbert, etc.)
Pocket passers with mobility = < 300 (Mahomes, Tannehill)
Athletic QB's = > 300 (Wilson, Allen, Jackson, Watson)

Still a massive minority for playoff teams.

Do you have a preference?

Geez if u r gonna quote stats at least get em right: Herbert 234yds 5td in 15 games. 234>150. You're the only one who thinks Mahomes is a pocket passer, good on you. Lol.

Rodgers age 36, 37 seasons were his only season he did not have 200 yds rushing g when he played a full 16 games.

Kyler Murray doesn't count I guess, 500+ and 800+.

So that leaves me Brees (retired), Brady great but almost retired, Ben (Whiny and almost retired,), Ryan (not quite as retired but close) , Mayfield (meh), and Goff (horrible)

I'll definitely take the third group every single day going foward.

No matter how you spin it, it goes against your original take.

I'll give you Herbert because of when he started but again, the mass majority are pocket first, run last with the mass majority under 300 yards for 16 games. Which is not significant at all.

Hell, even Joe Montana had a career rushing of 1,676 yards and 20 touchdowns. Too funny.

You all are acting like every athletic QB coming out is going to rush for 1,200 yards like Lamar Jackson and it's a major threat.

No matter, it's still "pocket first" no matter the style of QB and no matter the offense (unless you're Greg Roman).

Just going to have to agree to disagree, you have you view of pocket passer and I have mine.. They are way different.. But rewatch the last two SBs, tell me how often Mahomes is just sitting there in the pocket, never trying to move or create. Not a pocket QB.

Mac Jones 14 yds rushing last year. 110 seasons and he'd almost catch Montana.

It's all good.

I personally want that pocket-first QB too who badly wants to master that first and only use that mobility to extend plays behind the LOS safely and on designed runs on an overly aggressive defense (like when we punked Charles Haley with Steve Young or Alex Smith on the keeper against the Saints).

I want that Montana QB ability with Young escapability and speed.

That's that 2nd bucket for me (Mahomes). Balance!

No biggie. I just want it all.

With Kyle's system and genius where he's taken care of the ground game. The run offense. The pass offense is what he needs from a QB. I don't think his scheme incorporates much off schedule throws like a scramble drill. His whole scheme is designed to stress defenses from the pocket so the QB doesn't need to scramble. Unless of course its a designed scramble. (The boot pass).

The philosophical question of intangibles vs athleticism is a good question. In kyles scheme I think intangibles matter more than athleticism- at least I think Kyles that's why Kyle chooses the QB he chooses. Greg Roman's offense is more of where an athletic QB matters. Then there are many variations in between.

You know that's fact because when it turned into a scramble drill OL and receivers don't know what to do here.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I am curious.

Is there a scenario where a less-athletic QB could be elevated into a top 5 discussion anymore? What elite less-athletic traits does one have to possess now to be considered a top 5 consideration with "elite traits" like the athletic QB's?

Top 3 >>>>> Top 5

OK, top 3.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
Mad respect!

Then let's keep Jimmy

Too expensive. Right?