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Originally posted by pete98146:
I've watched a ton of material on all 3 of the top QB prospects. Quite a few analysts bring up the same point which I completely agree with. Drafting a mobile big armed QB like Lance and Fields enables Kyle to EVOLVE his offense. I''m hearing the world EVOLVE quite a bit and for good reason. They've also pointed out the Shanny arrogance is alive and well and this is starting to worry me a bit. Kyle likes what Kyle likes. That's fine. But if we draft Mac, we are basically drafting another Cousins or Matt Ryan. Does Kyle really want to continue on the same arc? At what point in time does the offense get old, stale and predictable?

Others have countered that Mac has a great arm. I'm not so sure. He has a good arm, not a great one. Speaking of great arms, I was watching a breakdown of Trey Lance's throws. They showed him completing a 20 yard out pattern. They mentioned that Trey gets his hips correctly pivoted and his entire lower body is moving forward when he makes this throw. He said many pro QBs don't launch themselves into the sideline throw like Trey does. Predictably the ball arrives fast and accurate. As a Niner fan, I'm a bit tired of the quick hitting slant pattern! I want to see the ball travel in the air for more than 30 yards! My kingdom for an occasional post pattern!!!!!!!Let's grab a player that will allow Kyle to EXPAND his playbook by leaps and bounds.

I'm not sure Mac Jones gets us there. I'd be afraid we'd be watching Groundhogs Day every Sunday if we draft him. Change the arc Kyle, dare to be better! That same handsaw that you've been using for the last 10 years is getting dull. Buy a chainsaw, Kyle :)

It's time for a different TYPE of QB!!!!!

Lance could be something special. I think he has the desire and intelligence to be great. He needs to work on his accuracy a little bit (he's not on Fields' level there), and he needs to get better at reading defenses (before some ignoramous says I'm racist, I'm referring to, for example, the play I posted earlier when he missed the hot route: what was more important was that he didn't see the safeties rotate, leaving a closed middle of the field, and he threw the post anyway. Could just be greed for the big play, though. Either way it needs work).

But... if the work he, Shanahan and Scangarello put in while he's backing up Jimmy is fruitful, there's not much by way of limits for him.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Apr 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM ]
I'm not saying PFF is untrustworthy, but...

PFF - "In each of those six starts, Jones has earned a grade above 82.0 — something Tagovailoa only did three times in nine starts in 2019. Rarely does Jones make a mistake with the ball or toss up an errant throw."

Good lord, I thought PFF was super trustworthy and Tua was the same as Jones? What's going on here?

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-ranking-all-127-fbs-quarterback-situations-ahead-of-cfb-week-12
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
PFF - "In each of those six starts, Jones has earned a grade above 82.0 — something Tagovailoa only did three times in nine starts in 2019. Rarely does Jones make a mistake with the ball or toss up an errant throw."

Good lord, I thought PFF was super trustworthy and Tua was the same as Jones? What's going on here?

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-ranking-all-127-fbs-quarterback-situations-ahead-of-cfb-week-12

What does that have to do with anything?
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
PFF - "In each of those six starts, Jones has earned a grade above 82.0 — something Tagovailoa only did three times in nine starts in 2019. Rarely does Jones make a mistake with the ball or toss up an errant throw."

Good lord, I thought PFF was super trustworthy and Tua was the same as Jones? What's going on here?

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-ranking-all-127-fbs-quarterback-situations-ahead-of-cfb-week-12

What does that have to do with anything?

One or two people keep saying that Jones and Tua are the same, and since Tua was so terrible (he wasn't of course, not for a rookie), that it therefore means Jones is terrible.

Not that I'm some Jones fan boy. I like Lance and Fields more. But barely. However this thread is full of people saying Jones is garbage when he clearly is not, or that he's the same as Tua or Jimmy. It gets old. I get that it's from fear of losing the opportunity for a transcendental talent at QB. But still.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
PFF - "In each of those six starts, Jones has earned a grade above 82.0 — something Tagovailoa only did three times in nine starts in 2019. Rarely does Jones make a mistake with the ball or toss up an errant throw."

Good lord, I thought PFF was super trustworthy and Tua was the same as Jones? What's going on here?

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-ranking-all-127-fbs-quarterback-situations-ahead-of-cfb-week-12

What does that have to do with anything?

One or two people keep saying that Jones and Tua are the same, and since Tua was so terrible (he wasn't of course, not for a rookie), that it therefore means Jones is terrible.

Not that I'm some Jones fan boy. I like Lance and Fields more. But barely. However this thread is full of people saying Jones is garbage when he clearly is not, or that he's the same as Tua or Jimmy. It gets old. I get that it's from fear of losing the opportunity for a transcendental talent at QB. But still.

Mac Is definitely better than Tua .Just like Fields is definitely better than Haskins.

Even DeVonta Smith and Waddle both said they would take Mac over Tua as their QB. Most players dodge questions like that. They did not even hesitate to say Mac.
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Mac Is definitely better than Tua .Just like Fields is definitely better than Haskins.

Even DeVonta Smith and Waddle both said they would take Mac over Tua as their QB. Most players dodge questions like that. They did not even hesitate to say Mac.

Dolphins drafting DeVonta Smith confirmed.
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Mac Is definitely better than Tua .Just like Fields is definitely better than Haskins.

Even DeVonta Smith and Waddle both said they would take Mac over Tua as their QB. Most players dodge questions like that. They did not even hesitate to say Mac.

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[ Edited by Jcool on Apr 3, 2021 at 6:08 PM ]
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Yep. Impress me if it said a step or LESS.

Easiest job in the country
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I'm not saying PFF is untrustworthy, but...


What's not trustworthy? Herbert wasn't super accurate his last yr in Oregon...like I keep saying these guys are kids. They can improve mechanics and learn the mental side if they put the time in.

it's one reason why Lance is such an intriguing prospect. He's a pup. Literally kyle can turn him into whatever he wants with the elite traits.
Originally posted by JTB1974:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Mac Is definitely better than Tua .Just like Fields is definitely better than Haskins.

Even DeVonta Smith and Waddle both said they would take Mac over Tua as their QB. Most players dodge questions like that. They did not even hesitate to say Mac.

Dolphins drafting DeVonta Smith confirmed.

Crazy they're talking up a kid that still needs to get drafted...anything thinking Jones was better than Tua coming out of Bama is just trying to prop him up because he might be a niner. No legit draft evaluator would grade Jones over Tua.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Lance could be something special. I think he has the desire and intelligence to be great. He needs to work on his accuracy a little bit (he's not on Fields' level there), and he needs to get better at reading defenses (before some ignoramous says I'm racist, I'm referring to, for example, the play I posted earlier when he missed the hot route: what was more important was that he didn't see the safeties rotate, leaving a closed middle of the field, and he threw the post anyway. Could just be greed for the big play, though. Either way it needs work).

But... if the work he, Shanahan and Scangarello put in while he's backing up Jimmy is fruitful, there's not much by way of limits for him.

Just my opinion to juxtapose to your own, but I feel Lance's offense has a deeper progression tree than Fields. This is in reference your statement about reading defenses.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Easiest job in the country

If you check out the early 2022 mock drafts you'll see a pair of Buckeye WRs projected to go 1st round.

Fields had it pretty easy as well.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Mac Is definitely better than Tua .Just like Fields is definitely better than Haskins.

Even DeVonta Smith and Waddle both said they would take Mac over Tua as their QB. Most players dodge questions like that. They did not even hesitate to say Mac.

Dolphins drafting DeVonta Smith confirmed.

Crazy they're talking up a kid that still needs to get drafted...anything thinking Jones was better than Tua coming out of Bama is just trying to prop him up because he might be a niner. No legit draft evaluator would grade Jones over Tua.

Meh. Mac put together a better season than any Tua did at Alabama. Tua's only full season he managed to not get injured at Alabama. He played 15 games, 2 more then Mac due to covid. He only put up 4000 yards. Meanwhile, Mac put up 4500 yards in three fewer games this season. That was all against SEC competition. Tua got teams like The citadel and Arkansas state to pad his stats that season and still didn't come close. Also, Before you talk about all the weapons Mac has. Tua, had these same WRs. He also Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs. Tua might have thrown some Lazer dimes in his career but he never had as good of a season as this past season that Mac had.
[ Edited by Bloodless on Apr 3, 2021 at 6:59 PM ]
Originally posted by krizay:
If you check out the early 2022 mock drafts you'll see a pair of Buckeye WRs projected to go 1st round.

Fields had it pretty easy as well.

All 5 star recruits on that OL too? Chris Olave is not Waddle or Smith. There's a reason he went back this year.
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