Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by random49er:
1) The SEC is a conference,...not a division.

2) Alabama enjoyed a talent gap between virtually every team they played until -- debatably -- OSU.

3) This was a weird year in terms of competition. You'd want to look over everything with a fine eye.

OSU is 69-4 vs the Big 10 since Urban arrived. That's better than Saban vs the SEC and the biggest gap in talent in college football period.

There's no competition and they can win every game by 20 blind folded. Only reason they didn't was because Fields had a couple of stinkers. Which is fine. With covid OSU's schedule was a mess but let's not act they play tough games every week.

Originally posted by Bloodless:
Correction from my previous post: it was two games, not three.

So Tua which according to you there is not a single trait that Tua is not better at than Jones. Was used more as a game manager than Mac? Why is that if he is so much better?

Can you Imagine the numbers Mac would have had if he got the extra two games that he should have gotten against trash teams that Tua got? He would have easily gone over 5000 yards. People can try to keep making excuses as to why Mac had such an amazing season. It was Historic really. The fact is Mac Jones the guy you are all calling trash, had one of the best seasons of any QB in college football history.

They were both massive game mangers and that article backs it up....Jones especially was a system QB. A ton of first read throws to open WRs, tons of RPO/Bubble screens. Zero play making ability.

Tua Tagovailoa vs. Mac Jones: Who's the better prospect?It's Tagovailoa. His rookie season might give some buyer's remorse, but that is just the impatient world we live in. Sarkisian and the offensive line at Alabama afforded Jones a comfort that allowed him to strike at an incredibly efficient rate. His best hope at the next level is to go to a situation that won't ask too much of him, at least early on.

He most likely goes before the Saints pick, but that is an ideal landing spot for him. Jones' lack of creativity is his biggest flaw. If the modern game has taught us anything, it's that, at least early in a player's career, nothing helps supplement success more.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Was Tua better than Mac?
Was Mac better than Tua?
Are they the same?

tua sucks ass compared to the big mac

Wrong...

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tua-tagovailoa-mac-jones-better-alabama-qb-prospect/

and it's not saying either are horrible QBs but more system QBs playing on a stupid Bama team.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
OSU is 69-4 vs the Big 10 since Urban arrived. That's better than Saban vs the SEC and the biggest gap in talent in college football period.

There's no competition and they can win every game by 20 blind folded. Only reason they didn't was because Fields had a couple of stinkers. Which is fine. With covid OSU's schedule was a mess but let's not act they play tough games every week.

We're talking about the 2020 season and OSU played more top 20 defenses with less games as well...OSU also had 22 players out because of COVID vs Northwestern.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalldef/2020

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
PFF - "In each of those six starts, Jones has earned a grade above 82.0 — something Tagovailoa only did three times in nine starts in 2019. Rarely does Jones make a mistake with the ball or toss up an errant throw."

Good lord, I thought PFF was super trustworthy and Tua was the same as Jones? What's going on here?

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-ranking-all-127-fbs-quarterback-situations-ahead-of-cfb-week-12

The beauty of PFF.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We're talking about the 2020 season and OSU played more top 20 defenses with less games as well...OSU also had 22 players out because of COVID vs Northwestern.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalldef/2020

Take a look at Big 10's offensive rankings. Straight up garbage. There's a reason LSU won the title and Georgia can make the Finals out of the SEC while other every other Big 10 team does nothing. There's a reason the SEC has hundreds of more players in the NFL than every other conference. It's a better conference.

But I do agree with you how covid effected OSU's season and that Fields should be given a break on those games.

Fields was under pressure far more than Jones was.

Fields on average played higher rated defenses.

Fields was more accurate adjusted for depth of pass (taking into account all the short throws Mac made vs Fields 2/3 air yards).

You can't argue that Jones is the pick in spite of inferior arm talent and athletic ability because hes more accurate and better in the pocket when the numbers say Fields was more accurate and threw more often from the pocket.

Shannahan isn't stupid. He saw the film that tells this story. That's why when asked if he was comfortable with Fields at the elite level he said yes. When asked about Jones he went on about expanding that list to 4 or 5.

Originally posted by Ripamaru:
Fields was under pressure far more than Jones was.

Fields on average played higher rated defenses.

Fields was more accurate adjusted for depth of pass (taking into account all the short throws Mac made vs Fields 2/3 air yards).

You can't argue that Jones is the pick in spite of inferior arm talent and athletic ability because hes more accurate and better in the pocket when the numbers say Fields was more accurate and threw more often from the pocket.

Shannahan isn't stupid. He saw the film that tells this story. That's why when asked if he was comfortable with Fields at the elite level he said yes. When asked about Jones he went on about expanding that list to 4 or 5.

Fields did not play higher level defenses though
the Big10 isnt exactly known for high quality D and to be frank against good D like Alabama and NW he did not play well at all

also you act like Mac Jones doent throw deep that isnt true
https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/2020/12/31/top-college-deep-ball-passers-in-2020/


also Fields wasnt pressured that much more than Jones

yet Jones passer rating against the pressure was the best in college football

Edit: i like Fields and perfer him over Jones but i dont mind Jones at all and think he is being undervalued here

Originally posted by Ripamaru:
Fields was under pressure far more than Jones was.

Fields on average played higher rated defenses.

Fields was more accurate adjusted for depth of pass (taking into account all the short throws Mac made vs Fields 2/3 air yards).

You can't argue that Jones is the pick in spite of inferior arm talent and athletic ability because hes more accurate and better in the pocket when the numbers say Fields was more accurate and threw more often from the pocket.

Shannahan isn't stupid. He saw the film that tells this story. That's why when asked if he was comfortable with Fields at the elite level he said yes. When asked about Jones he went on about expanding that list to 4 or 5.

That isn't why people think it might be Jones. It's because how well he executes. Now go say that was because the talent, as if OSU has no talent.

But that's just what people are speculating about what SHANAHAN wants. If the pick is Jones, there's going to be a lot of questioning of reality by people here. But the truth is, it would not be a massive shock if Shanahan took him. What faith in his ability to judge a QB has any action he has taken given? The guy passed on Mahomes and drafted CJ.

I'll gladly eat my crow if the next 49ers QB Shanahan picks is great, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Ripamaru:
Fields was under pressure far more than Jones was.

Fields on average played higher rated defenses.

Fields was more accurate adjusted for depth of pass (taking into account all the short throws Mac made vs Fields 2/3 air yards).

You can't argue that Jones is the pick in spite of inferior arm talent and athletic ability because hes more accurate and better in the pocket when the numbers say Fields was more accurate and threw more often from the pocket.

Shannahan isn't stupid. He saw the film that tells this story. That's why when asked if he was comfortable with Fields at the elite level he said yes. When asked about Jones he went on about expanding that list to 4 or 5.

That isn't why people think it might be Jones. It's because how well he executes. Now go say that was because the talent, as if OSU has no talent.

But that's just what people are speculating about what SHANAHAN wants. If the pick is Jones, there's going to be a lot of questioning of reality by people here. But the truth is, it would not be a massive shock if Shanahan took him. What faith in his ability to judge a QB has any action he has taken given? The guy passed on Mahomes and drafted CJ.

I'll gladly eat my crow if the next 49ers QB Shanahan picks is great, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

So this might work but Shanny needs Brady's NE o lines. No way around it. With Jones they fail if they don't

So Jimmy Garoppolo with an excellent deep ball and who excels in the intermediate and outside the number passes and who plays within the structure of the play call?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Ripamaru:
Fields was under pressure far more than Jones was.

Fields on average played higher rated defenses.

Fields was more accurate adjusted for depth of pass (taking into account all the short throws Mac made vs Fields 2/3 air yards).

You can't argue that Jones is the pick in spite of inferior arm talent and athletic ability because hes more accurate and better in the pocket when the numbers say Fields was more accurate and threw more often from the pocket.

Shannahan isn't stupid. He saw the film that tells this story. That's why when asked if he was comfortable with Fields at the elite level he said yes. When asked about Jones he went on about expanding that list to 4 or 5.

That isn't why people think it might be Jones. It's because how well he executes. Now go say that was because the talent, as if OSU has no talent.

But that's just what people are speculating about what SHANAHAN wants. If the pick is Jones, there's going to be a lot of questioning of reality by people here. But the truth is, it would not be a massive shock if Shanahan took him. What faith in his ability to judge a QB has any action he has taken given? The guy passed on Mahomes and drafted CJ.

I'll gladly eat my crow if the next 49ers QB Shanahan picks is great, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

I don't think so. I think every fan and nearly every analysts connects the dots to Mac and they all know why. Fans just have a different philosophy and personal preferences. And it's very likely everyone is wrong in the end.

Most likely only 1 of these 5 QB's finds sustained success and it's probably here in SF because of the system and talent around him vs. a big gap in universal skill sets.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Ripamaru:
Fields was under pressure far more than Jones was.

Fields on average played higher rated defenses.

Fields was more accurate adjusted for depth of pass (taking into account all the short throws Mac made vs Fields 2/3 air yards).

You can't argue that Jones is the pick in spite of inferior arm talent and athletic ability because hes more accurate and better in the pocket when the numbers say Fields was more accurate and threw more often from the pocket.

Shannahan isn't stupid. He saw the film that tells this story. That's why when asked if he was comfortable with Fields at the elite level he said yes. When asked about Jones he went on about expanding that list to 4 or 5.

That isn't why people think it might be Jones. It's because how well he executes. Now go say that was because the talent, as if OSU has no talent.

But that's just what people are speculating about what SHANAHAN wants. If the pick is Jones, there's going to be a lot of questioning of reality by people here. But the truth is, it would not be a massive shock if Shanahan took him. What faith in his ability to judge a QB has any action he has taken given? The guy passed on Mahomes and drafted CJ.

I'll gladly eat my crow if the next 49ers QB Shanahan picks is great, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

I don't think so. I think every fan and nearly every analysts connects the dots to Mac and they all know why. Fans just have a different philosophy and personal preferences. And it's very likely everyone is wrong in the end.

Most likely only 1 of these 5 QB's finds sustained success and it's probably here in SF because of the system and talent around him vs. a big gap in universal skill sets.

I agree, all three will be fine QBs for the 49ers. That's probably why the #3 pick was traded for.

Originally posted by NCommand:
So Jimmy Garoppolo with an excellent deep ball and who excels in the intermediate and outside the number passes and who plays within the structure of the play call?

Justin Fields vs Trey Lance vs Mack Jones
Deep ball thread 3/3

Jones completed 33/56 passes that traveled 20+ yards in the air. While he has the weakest arm of the three his production was far and away the best in the class.#NFLDraft #MacJones pic.twitter.com/9daI7mEA48

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) April 3, 2021

I'll just add that while Mac Jones isn't athletically like Fields and Lance, he's a decent scrambler as Fields and Lance are decent pocket passers.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I agree, all three will be fine QBs for the 49ers. That's probably why the #3 pick was traded for.

I think so too.