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Apr 4, 2021 at 11:02 AM
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Why do people keep brining up 40 time when that has very little to do with a QBs athleticism or escapability??

Because people keep bringing up his mobility issues despite showing he is athletic enough and has pocket mobility
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:07 AM
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by random49er:
A high grade passing deep doesn't necessarily address the volume of throws deep, compared to the shorter passes. We went through these same arguments about Jimmy's 2019 season.

You can have an excellent grade at something in sports if you don't do it very much.

So if Mac throws 10 deep balls a game and Fields throws 10 deep balls a game you're saying Fields is more impressive just because his team did 10 hand offs while Bama did 10 wr screens? Not sure if I buy that. In Jimmy's case the problem is he only throws it deep once or twice a game. Bama dord have it's fair share of deep balls.

No. Someone posted a stat about how much of Field's yards come as AIR YARDS. I'm cool with his game passing deep,....how could I not be? Dude has a cannon and great placement consistently.

What I WAS saying is that a passing rating does not address VOLUME of throws.

When someone says a guy doesn't pass deep very much percentage-wise,...and you proceed to show people he has a high rating doing so,...it's speaking past the OP,...not to them. It's a complete change of subject.

When I quoted that stat in arguments saying Stafford was better than Jimmy, and in fact Jimmy isn't as good as his efficiency numbers, people called that sort of thing "fantasy stats."

That's why I'm sick of "advanced stats." Film is all that matters.
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:08 AM
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Why do people keep brining up 40 time when that has very little to do with a QBs athleticism or escapability??

Unless a guy is 4.4 fast it means nothing for a QB, he's not running a straight line downfield.

it's all about lateral mobility and quick twitch ability for QBs to avoid on coming pressure. He does not have that....even Cosell said that's a massive issue for him...if the pocket breaks down and his first read isn't there he's gonna have problems in the NFL.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Apr 4, 2021 at 11:10 AM ]
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:16 AM
Originally posted by ritz126:
Fields did not play higher level defenses though
the Big10 isnt exactly known for high quality D and to be frank against good D like Alabama and NW he did not play well at all

also you act like Mac Jones doent throw deep that isnt true
https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/2020/12/31/top-college-deep-ball-passers-in-2020/


also Fields wasnt pressured that much more than Jones

yet Jones passer rating against the pressure was the best in college football

Edit: i like Fields and perfer him over Jones but i dont mind Jones at all and think he is being undervalued here

He actually did play higher rated defenses. Avg was 28th to like 39th.

Jones played some very poor defenses like the mississippi schools, arkansas, and tennessee. As well as a down LSU. He benefitted by not playing Alabama obviously.

Ohio State played some of the best defenses in the country. It was opposing offenses that were poor.

Not sure how they measured pressure but the tape I saw Fields was under fire a lot more than Jones was. I watched every game for both.

I've never said Jones was terrible. Just that he hasn't got the arm or athletic ability of any of the other 4. His lone advantages are supposed to be accuracy and ability in the pocket. Both of which Fields was actually better. He is better in those areas than Lawrence, Wilson, and Lance however.

If you are taking Jones that high you are betting that he mentally develops the way Brady and Brees did. Which to me is a foolish gamble. They are massive outliers.
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:32 AM
Originally posted by krizay:
never said that. I am actually warming up to Fields with the understanding that he will leave some pass plays on the field. Him being outside of schedule is due to him, in my opinion, not always knowing where to go with the ball.

I think he can, at times, fail to read the leverage, or lack thereof, of the DB. He does leave a few plays on the field, I agree
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Ripamaru:
He actually did play higher rated defenses. Avg was 28th to like 39th.

Jones played some very poor defenses like the mississippi schools, arkansas, and tennessee. As well as a down LSU. He benefitted by not playing Alabama obviously.

Ohio State played some of the best defenses in the country. It was opposing offenses that were poor.

Not sure how they measured pressure but the tape I saw Fields was under fire a lot more than Jones was. I watched every game for both.

I've never said Jones was terrible. Just that he hasn't got the arm or athletic ability of any of the other 4. His lone advantages are supposed to be accuracy and ability in the pocket. Both of which Fields was actually better. He is better in those areas than Lawrence, Wilson, and Lance however.

If you are taking Jones that high you are betting that he mentally develops the way Brady and Brees did. Which to me is a foolish gamble. They are massive outliers.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I think he can, at times, fail to read the leverage, or lack thereof, of the DB. He does leave a few plays on the field, I agree

Yeah, you fellas need to watch Max Browne's breakdown of Fields on the whiteboard to truly understand the bold. He illustrates it perfectly and that's just not something PFF is going to capture. Mac Jones might be the best in the class by a wide margin in this aspect and should probably be weighted far heavier than 40 time and the ability to make off schedule throws.
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 4, 2021 at 11:40 AM ]
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Ripamaru:
Originally posted by ritz126:
Fields did not play higher level defenses though
the Big10 isnt exactly known for high quality D and to be frank against good D like Alabama and NW he did not play well at all

also you act like Mac Jones doent throw deep that isnt true
https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/2020/12/31/top-college-deep-ball-passers-in-2020/


also Fields wasnt pressured that much more than Jones

yet Jones passer rating against the pressure was the best in college football

Edit: i like Fields and perfer him over Jones but i dont mind Jones at all and think he is being undervalued here

He actually did play higher rated defenses. Avg was 28th to like 39th.

Jones played some very poor defenses like the mississippi schools, arkansas, and tennessee. As well as a down LSU. He benefitted by not playing Alabama obviously.

Ohio State played some of the best defenses in the country. It was opposing offenses that were poor.

Not sure how they measured pressure but the tape I saw Fields was under fire a lot more than Jones was. I watched every game for both.

I've never said Jones was terrible. Just that he hasn't got the arm or athletic ability of any of the other 4. His lone advantages are supposed to be accuracy and ability in the pocket. Both of which Fields was actually better. He is better in those areas than Lawrence, Wilson, and Lance however.

If you are taking Jones that high you are betting that he mentally develops the way Brady and Brees did. Which to me is a foolish gamble. They are massive outliers.

Somebody is confusing the Big 12 and Big 10. Plenty of solid defense played in Big 10.
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:44 AM
What if Jones didn't play for Alabama? He originally committed to Kentucky, so lets say he goes there. Let's say he still put up good numbers but not 41 TDs and 77% completion. Do we think Mac would be getting top 10 hype? 1st round hype?
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:44 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Unless a guy is 4.4 fast it means nothing for a QB, he's not running a straight line downfield.

it's all about lateral mobility and quick twitch ability for QBs to avoid on coming pressure. He does not have that....even Cosell said that's a massive issue for him...if the pocket breaks down and his first read isn't there he's gonna have problems in the NFL.

Correct. Watch Mac play. He's not athletic
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:47 AM
Originally posted by krizay:
Because people keep bringing up his mobility issues despite showing he is athletic enough and has pocket mobility

His 3 cone is worse than trubisky/baker, more on par with Goff. I don't think he's a complete marino-esque statue but no he's not going to do s**t with his legs in the nfl
[ Edited by frenchmov on Apr 4, 2021 at 11:48 AM ]
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Jcool:
What if Jones didn't play for Alabama? He originally committed to Kentucky, so lets say he goes there. Let's say he still put up good numbers but not 41 TDs and 77% completion. Do we think Mac would be getting top 10 hype? 1st round hype?

Same with the others. If they all played for Mississippi State, would anyone even get past "just another athletic QB who you can grab on day 3."

The fact that a pocket passer is even getting mentioned in the top 5 in 2021 is a minor miracle.
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 4, 2021 at 11:55 AM ]
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:56 AM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Jcool:
What if Jones didn't play for Alabama? He originally committed to Kentucky, so lets say he goes there. Let's say he still put up good numbers but not 41 TDs and 77% completion. Do we think Mac would be getting top 10 hype? 1st round hype?

Same with the others. If they all played for Mississippi State, would anyone even get past "just another athletic QB who you can grab on day 3."

The fact that a pocket passer is even getting mentioned in the top 5 in 2021 is a minor miracle.

But Fields putting up good numbers at say Penn State still gets him drafted in round 1 because he has speed and arm strength.
Apr 4, 2021 at 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Jcool:
But Fields putting up good numbers at say Penn State still gets him drafted in round 1 because he has speed and arm strength.

Penn State isn't exactly considered a small school.
Apr 4, 2021 at 12:01 PM
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by krizay:
Because people keep bringing up his mobility issues despite showing he is athletic enough and has pocket mobility

His 3 cone is worse than trubisky/baker, more on par with Goff. I don't think he's a complete marino-esque statue but no he's not going to do s**t with his legs in the nfl

Yet faster than Justin Herbet and Dsk Prescott
Apr 4, 2021 at 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Jcool:
But Fields putting up good numbers at say Penn State still gets him drafted in round 1 because he has speed and arm strength.

Exactly and that's why alot of QBs bust in the NFL
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