Originally posted by roasthawg:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by jobiwon:
Originally posted by krizay:
The arguments.
His OL gives him all day to throw:
He has the least average time to throw out of the top 4.
That's because he throws quick passes behind the line of scrimmage:
That is correct. 34% of his passes at or behind the line of scrimmage. We have to assume he doesn't get much pressure on these type of passes mainly. He has been pressured as much as every other QB in this class despite less traditional drop backs. So is his OL really giving him all day to throw? at least as it compares to the other guys?
He has great weapons:
There is absolutely no denying that. However, he lost waddle early in the season and never missed a beat. He lost Smith in the NCCG and never missed a beat. Drove right down the field 3 straight posessions for 17 points without him. On the biggest stage.
He's a statue:
he ran between a 4.78 & 4.83 in the Dak Prescott and Patrick Mahomes territory. He'll never make a 40 yard house call but showed consistently he can not only move around within the pocket but pick up chunk yards on runs if a lane presents itself.
He has a weak arm:
Obviously not the strongest arm. His arm however I believe is strong enough. Alex Smith proved that you can improve arm strength. While it will never be a rocket it can and will get better as he gets in shape.
He's fat and out of shape:
Clearly he can use some NFL weight training. Which will only enhance both his arm strength and to a smaller degree agility/speed
Work ethic because he's chubby:
Everyone to a man talks about his work ethic. How he's always studying film. That is more important at least in my eyes than a QB having work ethic in a gym.
Alabama QB's:
This Alabama offense this year looked like no other Alabama offense we've seen before. Tua is the closest ALA QB you can even compare him to and he was a top 5 pick just last year.
Oft script plays:
While he has made some oft-script plays with his arm, it's few and far between. It definitely won't be his calling card. But he can do it. Definitely not as good as the others.
Not an upgrade over jimmy:
We are only wanting to replace Jimmy because he can't stay healthy. Not because he sucks. I would argue that he is indeed an upgrade over Jimmy. Better pocket presence and not afraid to take deep shots for starters. Then the whole health thing.
DUI's:
19 years old freshman at college. I thought there were two of them but can only find mention of one. Had he continued down this path then obviously it would be a problem. If there were other drinking incidents then it would be a problem.
600 more yards to open WRs than any other QB in the country:
he had over 1,000 more yards than the #3 QB. So yes he had more yards to open WRs. He also had more yards to "unopen" WRs
Boot action is a staple in Shanny's offense:
Someone said we only ran 34 such plays last year. Not too mention there is tape of Mac being able to do it. Just like him making plays with his leg. He wasn't asked to do it much but he showed he can. Also Shanny himself said he'd rather a lesser athletic QB run the boot so the defense doesn't expect it.
Mac Jones fits perfectly to what Shanny wants to do. Shanny calls plays to set up other plays down the road. If you have a mobile QB that adlibs and messes up the integrity of a play or doesn't know where to go with the football. That could very easily mess up the flow of Shanahan calling plays. That is the strength of Kyle Shanahan.
While I have ascended past luke warm on Fields. I still feel Jones is the best fir for this offense. With Jones I see a SB while on his rookie deal. That because I know Shanahan's offense will get us back to the SB. I cannot say that with the other QBs because I don't feel we will be able to run Kyle's offense. I know many think his offense will evolve with a running QB. Just because you're adding a running element doesn't necessarily make it better. If the passing plays aren't being executed as designed.
Great points. Well said. All the qbs we could choose can play In this offense. With Mac,it will be executed exactly as Shanny wants. With others, they may win a pro bowl spot. With Mac,you win a super bowl.
So you just said all QBs could play in this offense and you want the one with least talent to transcend that offense?
You're giving up future firsts for this pick. Selecting a guy who can only play well within the system isn't smart. If you think the other guys can't run the offense then you take them, coach them up and then you have guys who can run your offense when things go according to plan, but also gives you a chance to get positive plays when things don't go as designed.
Who said anything about least talent? Lol at everyone who thinks if you don't run a 4.5 you're not talented. Or if you can't pull a jamarcus Russell and throw it 80yds from your knees you have no talent. Reaction time is one of the most important talents for a qb. How do you measure that? I'm honestly shocked they haven't come out with some sort of simulation they put qbs thru to measure reaction time under pressure. Intelligence is another talent that's so important for qbs yet hardly gets discussed. Manning and Brady dissect defenses before they even snap the ball. Not everyone has the head for it. 40 time helps when the scheme fails and maybe adds a few plays to the playbook. It's way down there though on the list of talent traits with qb prospects.
Maybe you didn't mean it to come off that way but this post reinforces almost every racist based bias black QBs have to deal with.
Are we assuming that Fields isn't intelligent? Who said the only thing that makes him more talented is his ability to throw far?
Reaction time is important but it's not as cut and dry as people make it out to be. When you get to sit back and learn versus being thrown into the fire without a redshirt year. Think your reaction time will be better when you don't have to worry about getting hit on the regular? When your offense doesn't take longer to develop?
The draft can't come soon enough.
