Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why is it Mac Jones to SF only lol? If he's so god damn great why isn't he going to the team that runs the same damn offense at 2?

I see him floating around some mocks possibly going to the Panthers if we pass, then it's him dropping down to mid to late first all over the place.

the hype this kid has gotten solely based off SF moving up is ridiculous.

It is because SF already has all the pieces for Jones to fit within. His only job will be to play catch with the correct read. CAR doesn't necessarily have this AND they don't have that scheme that gets WRs open the way Kyle's system can.

SF offense is so rigid that all they need is a distributer. This is why Jones is also fitted for NE as well. It's due to the offense being so rigid.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by genus49:
Maybe you didn't mean it to come off that way but this post reinforces almost every racist based bias black QBs have to deal with.

Are we assuming that Fields isn't intelligent? Who said the only thing that makes him more talented is his ability to throw far?

Reaction time is important but it's not as cut and dry as people make it out to be. When you get to sit back and learn versus being thrown into the fire without a redshirt year. Think your reaction time will be better when you don't have to worry about getting hit on the regular? When your offense doesn't take longer to develop?

People really need to stop throwing the word "racist" around where it doesn't belong. It takes the meaning out of the word. Evaluating draft prospects is not racist.

Agreed. So ridiculous. No one cares about the color of these guys skin. Just whether or not they'll be a good qb at the next level.

Agreed as well. We get that Jones does not physically look like a top prospect, but this is a rare situation in terms of circumstances. Tom Brady just won a SB with a different team when NOBODY thought he was going to win anymore. And he won it because of his ability to dissect a defense.

This is the first time since I can remember that there is a comparable prospect to Tom Brady. Tom Brady winning the Super Bowl is the best thing that could have ever happened to Mac Jones' draft stock.

LOL, maybe McCorkle has comparable athleticism and arm strength to a 43 year old Tom Brady, but that is about where the comparisons should end. His ceiling is much closer to being the next Chad Pennington or Alex Smith than Tom Brady. That's not even that bad of an outcome for him either since both of those guys started a lot of games in their NFL careers.

I don't know what would be harder for me to stomach. The 49ers taking jones while lance and fields become probowlers, or the niners take trey lance and the Patriots win a superbowl with mac jones.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why is it Mac Jones to SF only lol? If he's so god damn great why isn't he going to the team that runs the same damn offense at 2?

I see him floating around some mocks possibly going to the Panthers if we pass, then it's him dropping down to mid to late first all over the place.

the hype this kid has gotten solely based off SF moving up is ridiculous.

It is because SF already has all the pieces for Jones to fit within. His only job will be to play catch with the correct read. CAR doesn't necessarily have this AND they don't have that scheme that gets WRs open the way Kyle's system can.

SF offense is so rigid that all they need is a distributer. This is why Jones is also fitted for NE as well. It's due to the offense being so rigid.

you don't trade 4 picks for what you just described.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Huh? He ran the same exact offense with the same coach.

That is assuming the coach didn't change anything

There's natural progressions based on every play call vs whatever coverage they're seeing....It's why we have guys in here like THL & Jonny breaking down film, explaining progressions & concepts with the film...it's not always cut and dry on every play, so I get bringing it up.

Originally posted by Joecool:
It is because SF already has all the pieces for Jones to fit within. His only job will be to play catch with the correct read. CAR doesn't necessarily have this AND they don't have that scheme that gets WRs open the way Kyle's system can.

SF offense is so rigid that all they need is a distributer. This is why Jones is also fitted for NE as well. It's due to the offense being so rigid.

We do? We don't have some elite PP OL unit...I think we've heard the complaints about that in spades at the WZ lol.

You don't give up 4 picks and 3 1st rd pick for a "distributor" aka a system QB. You can find that in every single draft....SFs offense is whatever Kyle wants to make it. It's no more "rigid" then all the teams that use a lot of the same concepts. SF isn't the only team that runs what kyle does. Look at Matt LaFleur in GB. Dude is having a field day with a high traits QB.

Why aren't the Jets being talked about as a Jones landing spot? They're asking their QB to do the same thing? Why isn't ATL? Arthur Smith runs a TON of the same stuff.

I think it's a bunch of baloney, right now.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I don't know what would be harder for me to stomach. The 49ers taking jones while lance and fields become probowlers, or the niners take trey lance and the Patriots win a superbowl with mac jones.

I could careless what Jones does if drafted elsewhere, so long as Lance/fields do there thing here.

I dont believe Mac Jones is worth a top 3 pick in ANY draft. Let alone a draft with as many talented QBs as this one. I need to stay away from the Mac Jones thread because it scares me LMAO. I cannot believe some of you actually think he is better than Fields whom every smart evaluator knew was a 1st rd QB prospect in high school. The funny thing is you can find things to like about just about any starting college QB. I think that's what is happening for Mac. Someone threw his name out there and folks are running with it finding whatever they can to try to like him when Not a single SOUL anywhere on the planet mentioned Mac as a top 3 pick just one year ago. Trust me, he didnt become that much better over night.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

His breakdowns are the best imo. Good stuff

Originally posted by crusher49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why is it Mac Jones to SF only lol? If he's so god damn great why isn't he going to the team that runs the same damn offense at 2?

I see him floating around some mocks possibly going to the Panthers if we pass, then it's him dropping down to mid to late first all over the place.

the hype this kid has gotten solely based off SF moving up is ridiculous.

It is because SF already has all the pieces for Jones to fit within. His only job will be to play catch with the correct read. CAR doesn't necessarily have this AND they don't have that scheme that gets WRs open the way Kyle's system can.

SF offense is so rigid that all they need is a distributer. This is why Jones is also fitted for NE as well. It's due to the offense being so rigid.

you don't trade 4 picks for what you just described.

That's my issue, you give that up for a guy who can put a team on his back, not one who needs one of those future picks to be used on a tackle or something

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It is because SF already has all the pieces for Jones to fit within. His only job will be to play catch with the correct read. CAR doesn't necessarily have this AND they don't have that scheme that gets WRs open the way Kyle's system can.

SF offense is so rigid that all they need is a distributer. This is why Jones is also fitted for NE as well. It's due to the offense being so rigid.

We do? We don't have some elite PP OL unit...I think we've heard the complaints about that in spades at the WZ lol.

You don't give up 4 picks and 3 1st rd pick for a "distributor" aka a system QB. You can find that in every single draft....SFs offense is whatever Kyle wants to make it. It's no more "rigid" then all the teams that use a lot of the same concepts. SF isn't the only team that runs what kyle does. Look at Matt LaFleur in GB. Dude is having a field day with a high traits QB.

Why aren't the Jets being talked about as a Jones landing spot? They're asking their QB to do the same thing? Why isn't ATL? Arthur Smith runs a TON of the same stuff.

I think it's a bunch of baloney, right now.

The other teams don't have all the pieces at the skill positions set where a distributer is all that's needed. It is simply a rare scenario. As for OL, we all know how a QB that knows how to check down or knows where to go with the ball or is able to purposefully throw incompletions affects sack totals.

A QB that knows what to do with the ball makes an OL look great.

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by crusher49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why is it Mac Jones to SF only lol? If he's so god damn great why isn't he going to the team that runs the same damn offense at 2?

I see him floating around some mocks possibly going to the Panthers if we pass, then it's him dropping down to mid to late first all over the place.

the hype this kid has gotten solely based off SF moving up is ridiculous.

It is because SF already has all the pieces for Jones to fit within. His only job will be to play catch with the correct read. CAR doesn't necessarily have this AND they don't have that scheme that gets WRs open the way Kyle's system can.

SF offense is so rigid that all they need is a distributer. This is why Jones is also fitted for NE as well. It's due to the offense being so rigid.

you don't trade 4 picks for what you just described.

That's my issue, you give that up for a guy who can put a team on his back, not one who needs one of those future picks to be used on a tackle or something

Yeah, this is the only thing that doesn't make sense and I can only think of 2 reasons why:

1. Kyle absolutely does not want to develop a QB and he wants his offense executed immediately.
2. He doesn't think Jones will be there later and is over correcting after seeing Brady win another one.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It is because SF already has all the pieces for Jones to fit within. His only job will be to play catch with the correct read. CAR doesn't necessarily have this AND they don't have that scheme that gets WRs open the way Kyle's system can.

SF offense is so rigid that all they need is a distributer. This is why Jones is also fitted for NE as well. It's due to the offense being so rigid.

We do? We don't have some elite PP OL unit...I think we've heard the complaints about that in spades at the WZ lol.

You don't give up 4 picks and 3 1st rd pick for a "distributor" aka a system QB. You can find that in every single draft....SFs offense is whatever Kyle wants to make it. It's no more "rigid" then all the teams that use a lot of the same concepts. SF isn't the only team that runs what kyle does. Look at Matt LaFleur in GB. Dude is having a field day with a high traits QB.

Why aren't the Jets being talked about as a Jones landing spot? They're asking their QB to do the same thing? Why isn't ATL? Arthur Smith runs a TON of the same stuff.

I think it's a bunch of baloney, right now.

The other teams don't have all the pieces at the skill positions set where a distributer is all that's needed. It is simply a rare scenario. As for OL, we all know how a QB that knows how to check down or knows where to go with the ball or is able to purposefully throw incompletions affects sack totals.

A QB that knows what to do with the ball makes an OL look great.

Is this with the expectation Jones would start this year? Team could be worse by the time he takes over is my other worry.

although I probably wouldn't hate a rookie Mac Jones being in there....

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why is it Mac Jones to SF only lol? If he's so god damn great why isn't he going to the team that runs the same damn offense at 2?

I see him floating around some mocks possibly going to the Panthers if we pass, then it's him dropping down to mid to late first all over the place.

the hype this kid has gotten solely based off SF moving up is ridiculous.

Let's not act like this does not happen every single year.

Guys go up the draft board and guys go down the draft board.

Every single year you have producers versus potential. Guys get a boost or a knock from combine numbers. You can look back at just about every single draft and say people got this right and people got this wrong. Nothing in sports is more fair game then second guessing prospecting.

In the 49ers case, they don't have to figure out who the best QB in the draft is.....they just have to figure out who the 3rd best QB in the draft is.

For better or worse, Jones is in that running for that, he is a candidate for the 3rd best QB in the draft. I think it is very fair to say Jones is the best "system" QB out of the 3 guys that will likely be available at 3.

To me.... jones is Chad Pennington.... if the rest of the team is Super Bowl ready...Chad Pennington will win you super bowls. You have the offensive weapons that SF already has, and we put Chad Pennington in the Pro-Bowl. 5 years from now the 49ers suffer injuries and setbacks or looses guys to FA, and you still have Chad Pennington....IE ....a guy that cant carry just anyone to the playoff wins.

Like everyone else....that is ALOT of draft Capital to give up for someone to run the system correctly, but that does not mean that he is still not the best choice.

Personally I don't think any QB in the draft is worth 3 first rounders.

When you consider the 49ers have the Luxury of Jimmy G staying on the team, you could even trade down and bring in multiple prospects to groom over the next 2 years to be a "system" QB.

I don't think the 49ers should be hunting the next Tom Brady, they should be Hunting the next larry Allen.