Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

You dont mortgage your future to draft Matt Schaub at number 3. Personally i think Lance is the pick.

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It is because SF already has all the pieces for Jones to fit within. His only job will be to play catch with the correct read. CAR doesn't necessarily have this AND they don't have that scheme that gets WRs open the way Kyle's system can.

SF offense is so rigid that all they need is a distributer. This is why Jones is also fitted for NE as well. It's due to the offense being so rigid.

We do? We don't have some elite PP OL unit...I think we've heard the complaints about that in spades at the WZ lol.

You don't give up 4 picks and 3 1st rd pick for a "distributor" aka a system QB. You can find that in every single draft....SFs offense is whatever Kyle wants to make it. It's no more "rigid" then all the teams that use a lot of the same concepts. SF isn't the only team that runs what kyle does. Look at Matt LaFleur in GB. Dude is having a field day with a high traits QB.

Why aren't the Jets being talked about as a Jones landing spot? They're asking their QB to do the same thing? Why isn't ATL? Arthur Smith runs a TON of the same stuff.

I think it's a bunch of baloney, right now.

The other teams don't have all the pieces at the skill positions set where a distributer is all that's needed. It is simply a rare scenario. As for OL, we all know how a QB that knows how to check down or knows where to go with the ball or is able to purposefully throw incompletions affects sack totals.

A QB that knows what to do with the ball makes an OL look great.

Is this with the expectation Jones would start this year? Team could be worse by the time he takes over is my other worry.

although I probably wouldn't hate a rookie Mac Jones being in there....

I think Kyle's ideal QB is one that hits that top of the drop and makes the throw.
My opinion about Kyle even thinking about drafting Jones is that Kyle is being lazy. He needs to f**ken put on his coaching hat, draft the QB with the highest ceiling and develop that QB.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It is because SF already has all the pieces for Jones to fit within. His only job will be to play catch with the correct read. CAR doesn't necessarily have this AND they don't have that scheme that gets WRs open the way Kyle's system can.

SF offense is so rigid that all they need is a distributer. This is why Jones is also fitted for NE as well. It's due to the offense being so rigid.

We do? We don't have some elite PP OL unit...I think we've heard the complaints about that in spades at the WZ lol.

You don't give up 4 picks and 3 1st rd pick for a "distributor" aka a system QB. You can find that in every single draft....SFs offense is whatever Kyle wants to make it. It's no more "rigid" then all the teams that use a lot of the same concepts. SF isn't the only team that runs what kyle does. Look at Matt LaFleur in GB. Dude is having a field day with a high traits QB.

Why aren't the Jets being talked about as a Jones landing spot? They're asking their QB to do the same thing? Why isn't ATL? Arthur Smith runs a TON of the same stuff.

I think it's a bunch of baloney, right now.

The other teams don't have all the pieces at the skill positions set where a distributer is all that's needed. It is simply a rare scenario. As for OL, we all know how a QB that knows how to check down or knows where to go with the ball or is able to purposefully throw incompletions affects sack totals.

A QB that knows what to do with the ball makes an OL look great.

Is this with the expectation Jones would start this year? Team could be worse by the time he takes over is my other worry.

although I probably wouldn't hate a rookie Mac Jones being in there....

I think Kyle's ideal QB is one that hits that top of the drop and makes the throw.
My opinion about Kyle even thinking about drafting Jones is that Kyle is being lazy. He needs to f**ken put on his coaching hat, draft the QB with the highest ceiling and develop that QB.

I agree completely. I'm tired of hearing about Kyle's type of QB. If he's really confident in his ability to coach then he needs to take the most talented guy and integrate him into the systems while taking advantage of his talents. If he can't do that then he's not the coach he thinks he is.

I always think back to John Wooden. He won titles with dominating centers and with small teams that were guard oriented. He took advantage of whatever talent was available.

When you have the choice of 3 QBs, you go to the pro day of the QB that you weren't planning on selecting just to make sure you aren't making a mistake of not selecting him.

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

His breakdowns are the best imo. Good stuff

I beg anyone to watch this and then come back and tell us how great Mac Jones is at processing and how he's NFL ready.

He's the PRODUCT of being in a system with UNRIVALED talent at the skill positions and offensive line. It covered his mistakes. He is a mediocre QB at best who got the opportunity to throw the ball and hand off to multiple Heisman candidates with future 1st round picks blocking for him. Stick him on Iowa State or Wisconsin and we'd be talking about him on the 2nd or 3rd day, where he belongs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I hope we go Jones now just to see this place melt down. Plus I think he'd reach whatever ceiling he has with this team and coaching staff.

I'm fine with any of the 3 QBs.

That's a weird reason to want your favorite team to pick a QB, really? I think the other QBs can reach their ceilings with this team and coaching staff too, and their ceilings is much higher than Jones, which is why I hope they don't go Jones.

I never understood the reasoning behind that, yeah I want to see people pissed off....i mean It's only the most important move we've made as a franchise in over 20 yrs BUT I want to see angry people in the WZ

if we're talking about ceilings it's not in the same stratosphere.

I like Jones. I think he is underrated by many for aesthetic reasons in addition to not being the flashy mobile QB. I think Shanahan's offense could be run more effectively and efficiently by Jones in a lot of ways. We win that SB with Jones right now instead of Jimmy. I cannot say that we win that SB with Fields right now with his issues under pressure and certainly not Lance at this juncture.

To see a melt down here would just be entertaining.

Like I said, I'm fine with any of these QBs and see reasons for excitement with all of them.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I like Jones. I think he is underrated by many for aesthetic reasons in addition to not being the flashy mobile QB. I think Shanahan's offense could be run more effectively and efficiently by Jones in a lot of ways. We win that SB with Jones right now instead of Jimmy. I cannot say that we win that SB with Fields right now with his issues under pressure and certainly not Lance at this juncture.

To see a melt down here would just be entertaining.

Like I said, I'm fine with any of these QBs and see reasons for excitement with all of them.

He's SO overrated in here...people are stuck on the idea that none of these other QBs can process kyle offense, which is completely untrue. IF kyle is such a magician with play calling and QB development...why in the world would you not give him the prospects with the most talent and upside?

I mean you throw Jones on Iowa or Nebraska and no one even knows who he is. His talent level is available damn near every yr in the draft.

if kyle was looking for a straight up "system QB" because that's exactly what Jones is...he didn't have to blow up SF drafts for the next 3 yrs to accomplish that.

there's so many bad narratives about these top 5 QBs and what one Kyle wants, it's really frustrating to listen to al the dumbness (not saying that's you)

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
You dont mortgage your future to draft Matt Schaub at number 3. Personally i think Lance is the pick.

This isn't the NBA. You don't trade the farm for a project either. It's Fields.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
You dont mortgage your future to draft Matt Schaub at number 3. Personally i think Lance is the pick.

This isn't the NBA. You don't trade the farm for a project either.

Define project.

Fields for instance was the #2 player in the country only behind Lawrence(#1 over him in some rankings) out of HS, he's done nothing to really lose that status outside of a couple of off games during a crazy covid season.

Fields isn't a project. Just because he's got some development to do doesn't mean he's all projection. HIs accuracy, playmaking ability is top notch. You can make a case that he's got more NFL offense readiness than Trevor Lawrence but nobody is calling him a project and rightfully so.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I like Jones. I think he is underrated by many for aesthetic reasons in addition to not being the flashy mobile QB. I think Shanahan's offense could be run more effectively and efficiently by Jones in a lot of ways. We win that SB with Jones right now instead of Jimmy. I cannot say that we win that SB with Fields right now with his issues under pressure and certainly not Lance at this juncture.

To see a melt down here would just be entertaining.

Like I said, I'm fine with any of these QBs and see reasons for excitement with all of them.

He's SO overrated in here...people are stuck on the idea that none of these other QBs can process kyle offense, which is completely untrue. IF kyle is such a magician with play calling and QB development...why in the world would you not give him the prospects with the most talent and upside?

I mean you throw Jones on Iowa or Nebraska and no one even knows who he is. His talent level is available damn near every yr in the draft.

if kyle was looking for a straight up "system QB" because that's exactly what Jones is...he didn't have to blow up SF drafts for the next 3 yrs to accomplish that.

there's so many bad narratives about these top 5 QBs and what one Kyle wants, it's really frustrating to listen to al the dumbness (not saying that's you)

Yeah...you know we went back and forth on Jones when we were picking at 12 and at 12 I'd have 0 issues with him being the pick. He'd be just as good as Jimmy at a lower cost. It would be a win.

However the trade up to #3 changes everything. Simply improving from Jimmy shouldn't be the plan. You want a player who can not only elevate all the guys you have but also someone who can keep playing well if the talent on the roster takes a dip or god forbid there's a coaching change. Now Kyle calls the shots but giving up that much of your future...you have to get players who give you a little extra.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

His breakdowns are the best imo. Good stuff

I beg anyone to watch this and then come back and tell us how great Mac Jones is at processing and how he's NFL ready.

He's the PRODUCT of being in a system with UNRIVALED talent at the skill positions and offensive line. It covered his mistakes. He is a mediocre QB at best who got the opportunity to throw the ball and hand off to multiple Heisman candidates with future 1st round picks blocking for him. Stick him on Iowa State or Wisconsin and we'd be talking about him on the 2nd or 3rd day, where he belongs.

The Part 4 analysis. Man, Jones average passing pocket has a radius of 6 yards.

Originally posted by genus49:
Yeah...you know we went back and forth on Jones when we were picking at 12 and at 12 I'd have 0 issues with him being the pick. He'd be just as good as Jimmy at a lower cost. It would be a win.

However the trade up to #3 changes everything. Simply improving from Jimmy shouldn't be the plan. You want a player who can not only elevate all the guys you have but also someone who can keep playing well if the talent on the roster takes a dip or god forbid there's a coaching change. Now Kyle calls the shots but giving up that much of your future...you have to get players who give you a little extra.

I'm willing to bet regardless of who we pick, if there is a coaching change there without a doubt will be a QB change as well.

Unless of course Shanny leaving is due to some off field stuff

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
I like Jones. I think he is underrated by many for aesthetic reasons in addition to not being the flashy mobile QB. I think Shanahan's offense could be run more effectively and efficiently by Jones in a lot of ways. We win that SB with Jones right now instead of Jimmy. I cannot say that we win that SB with Fields right now with his issues under pressure and certainly not Lance at this juncture.

To see a melt down here would just be entertaining.

Like I said, I'm fine with any of these QBs and see reasons for excitement with all of them.

He's SO overrated in here...people are stuck on the idea that none of these other QBs can process kyle offense, which is completely untrue. IF kyle is such a magician with play calling and QB development...why in the world would you not give him the prospects with the most talent and upside?

I mean you throw Jones on Iowa or Nebraska and no one even knows who he is. His talent level is available damn near every yr in the draft.

if kyle was looking for a straight up "system QB" because that's exactly what Jones is...he didn't have to blow up SF drafts for the next 3 yrs to accomplish that.

there's so many bad narratives about these top 5 QBs and what one Kyle wants, it's really frustrating to listen to al the dumbness (not saying that's you)

Yeah...you know we went back and forth on Jones when we were picking at 12 and at 12 I'd have 0 issues with him being the pick. He'd be just as good as Jimmy at a lower cost. It would be a win.

However the trade up to #3 changes everything. Simply improving from Jimmy shouldn't be the plan. You want a player who can not only elevate all the guys you have but also someone who can keep playing well if the talent on the roster takes a dip or god forbid there's a coaching change. Now Kyle calls the shots but giving up that much of your future...you have to get players who give you a little extra.

Pretty much , you don't pay $150k for a Honda Accord .

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Yeah...you know we went back and forth on Jones when we were picking at 12 and at 12 I'd have 0 issues with him being the pick. He'd be just as good as Jimmy at a lower cost. It would be a win.

However the trade up to #3 changes everything. Simply improving from Jimmy shouldn't be the plan. You want a player who can not only elevate all the guys you have but also someone who can keep playing well if the talent on the roster takes a dip or god forbid there's a coaching change. Now Kyle calls the shots but giving up that much of your future...you have to get players who give you a little extra.

I'm willing to bet regardless of who we pick, if there is a coaching change there without a doubt will be a QB change as well.

Unless of course Shanny leaving is due to some off field stuff

Obviously I hope Fields(or whoever we draft) and Kyle are here for 15+ years and win a lot of games/championships but s**t happens...

There are guys who transcend coaching schemes.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

His breakdowns are the best imo. Good stuff

I beg anyone to watch this and then come back and tell us how great Mac Jones is at processing and how he's NFL ready.

He's the PRODUCT of being in a system with UNRIVALED talent at the skill positions and offensive line. It covered his mistakes. He is a mediocre QB at best who got the opportunity to throw the ball and hand off to multiple Heisman candidates with future 1st round picks blocking for him. Stick him on Iowa State or Wisconsin and we'd be talking about him on the 2nd or 3rd day, where he belongs.

Another great JTO breakdown.