Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is why you can't dismiss Mac. We ALL know Kyle isn't the greatest personnel guy and has massive blind spots for pass protection (despite wanting a pocket passer at the same time), overdrafting specific skill sets, positions or players, ego-belief HE can compensate for poor personnel or poor skill sets, etc.

Kyle has his blind spots. No doubt. It's up to Lynch and Peters to help him get out of that rut.

With QB, I don't think ANY of Mac, Fields nor Lance is worth trading up for BUT if you want any of those guys, that's the cost of #3 (the player is not a factor). If you walk out of this without your QB, all hell would break loose.

Second win over Rams secured this problem.

Totally.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Que the NY85 "Mike Tannenbaum is an idiot. He knows nothing" followed by a Field's-is-awesome JT O'Sullivan video clip.

Or I'll just post legit reporting

4.5 MAQB!

Sam Darnold's a Panther. How two months of talks, a chance meeting in Columbus, Ohio, and a compromise got it done. Also ...

💥 Carolina's complicated spot with Teddy.
💥 John Beck on Fields v. Wilson.
💥 Reading Aaron Rodgers.
💥 MORE!!https://t.co/MHnce1yy6l

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) April 5, 2021

they were NEVER Interested in Jones like dip s**ts like MT were saying. CAR had been trying to get Sam since mid-Feb wayyyy before SF made a move.

Yeah I'm sure JTO is an idiot and understands nothing about the QB position....but pleased keep posting Grant Cohn comments about black QBs being the same

So Simms, King, Lombardi, Jeremiah, Kawakami, Barrows, Maiocco, Brandt, etc. aren't legit? Literally, every single direct tie to the team that's been proven in the past.

You need to do some serious mental gymnastics not to see the smoke that's only gotten stronger with time.

With that said, I'm certainly NOT dismissing the idea that nobody knows s**t, not even in-house yet (for everybody).

I'm just saying that's a lot of smoke from a lot of credible sources AND it's been consistent too.

How many of them had Aiyuk going to us last year? Kinlaw?

McGlinchey was the one that kind of popped up out of the blue right before the draft so obviously people got whiffs of something there but it seems more people are just trying to read the tea leaves.

We'll see what happens. I just feel like taking Jones with 3 after that trade up starts the clock on this front office. When you make a move that's so questionable in the public eye if the results aren't terrific almost instantly the coaches/GM are going to be on thin ice.

Simms and Maiocco.

But again, more references to the TYPE of player, which, even for us fans, we can connect the dots by now too.

That was the other piece MM did on his podcast. Of the grocery long list of failed QB's at 3 after a trade up, he looked to see how long the HC and/or GM lasted after that. In short, like you noted, they better get it right! The results weren't pretty.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Personally, I just feel like Mac Jones is Kyles type of QB. Kyle doesn't care about murray/wilson type of mobility. He wants a QB that will run his offense the way he wants it run. Like Cosel said in his interview, kyle is extremely confident in his offense. He just needs a guy to execute it.

Kyle loves kirk cousins and matty ice. Doesn't Mac Jones fit right in with those 2 guys?

Well put it this way, if Kyle had the choice between Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins, for the same price, which would he choose? Which would you choose?

It's not just a question of system fit, it's one of value.

Agreed. As nervous as I am about Mac being the pick....I still don't buy it. He's a good prospect but I have a hard time imagining Kyle trading all this future capital for just another QB with limitations he'll have to plan around. It just makes no sense to me.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I keep hearing that but Simms saw what I saw and noted it. For an NFL OL, Jones was constantly getting tattooed esp. right after he threw. Big time shots. Nobody talks about his toughness for staying in the pocket to complete those but give Fields credit for taking off and running and getting his ribs smashed and still playing through it. Both can be true.

That's a straight up lie...he was NOT getting hit all the time. It was tons of max protection calls, it was a f**k ton of RPOs/ screens first read throws.

That is simply not the truth. I have no idea why you keep propping up Jones into something he's not. the film doesn't lie.

Tell it to Simms. His highlights look like Jimmy Garoppolo. Nice completions and standing in there and still getting kill shots.

Also, for a pro OL, why would they need max protect esp. with those receiving weapons?

Originally posted by Niners418:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Personally, I just feel like Mac Jones is Kyles type of QB. Kyle doesn't care about murray/wilson type of mobility. He wants a QB that will run his offense the way he wants it run. Like Cosel said in his interview, kyle is extremely confident in his offense. He just needs a guy to execute it.

Kyle loves kirk cousins and matty ice. Doesn't Mac Jones fit right in with those 2 guys?

Well put it this way, if Kyle had the choice between Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins, for the same price, which would he choose? Which would you choose?

It's not just a question of system fit, it's one of value.

Agreed. As nervous as I am about Mac being the pick....I still don't buy it. He's a good prospect but I have a hard time imagining Kyle trading all this future capital for just another QB with limitations he'll have to plan around. It just makes no sense to me.

He'd pick Kirk Cousins. No question. Haha.

Will he in 2021? Let's see...

Literally everyone that thinks the niners like jones is because of the type of qb that kyle has had some success with. Everyone is guessing!! For all we know it could be Jones, but none of these reports have convinced me that mac is definitely the pick. Only way we will know prior to the at least the week of the draft is that if Kyle said himself that he is or isn't, or that if someone has a leaked audio of Kyle's true intentions.

We're going to be kept in the dark for the foreseeable future.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Literally everyone that thinks the niners like jones is because of the type of qb that kyle has had some success with. Everyone is guessing!! For all we know it could be Jones, but none of these reports have convinced me that mac is definitely the pick. Only way we will know prior to the at least the week of the draft is that if Kyle said himself that he is or isn't, or that if someone has a leaked audio of Kyle's true intentions.

We're going to be kept in the dark for the foreseeable future.

That's the best way to look at it while not dismissing the smoke either.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners418:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Personally, I just feel like Mac Jones is Kyles type of QB. Kyle doesn't care about murray/wilson type of mobility. He wants a QB that will run his offense the way he wants it run. Like Cosel said in his interview, kyle is extremely confident in his offense. He just needs a guy to execute it.

Kyle loves kirk cousins and matty ice. Doesn't Mac Jones fit right in with those 2 guys?

Well put it this way, if Kyle had the choice between Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins, for the same price, which would he choose? Which would you choose?

It's not just a question of system fit, it's one of value.

Agreed. As nervous as I am about Mac being the pick....I still don't buy it. He's a good prospect but I have a hard time imagining Kyle trading all this future capital for just another QB with limitations he'll have to plan around. It just makes no sense to me.

He'd pick Kirk Cousins. No question. Haha.

Will he in 2021? Let's see...

He wanted WFT to draft Wilson but Seattle got o him first, so they drafted Cousins instead.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Simms and Maiocco.

But again, more references to the TYPE of player, which, even for us fans, we can connect the dots by now too.

That was the other piece MM did on his podcast. Of the grocery long list of failed QB's at 3 after a trade up, he looked to see how long the HC and/or GM lasted after that. In short, like you noted, they better get it right! The results weren't pretty.

Maiocco's final mock had SF taking AJ Terrell and Sims had SF taking Ruggs in 2020.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners418:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Personally, I just feel like Mac Jones is Kyles type of QB. Kyle doesn't care about murray/wilson type of mobility. He wants a QB that will run his offense the way he wants it run. Like Cosel said in his interview, kyle is extremely confident in his offense. He just needs a guy to execute it.

Kyle loves kirk cousins and matty ice. Doesn't Mac Jones fit right in with those 2 guys?

Well put it this way, if Kyle had the choice between Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins, for the same price, which would he choose? Which would you choose?

It's not just a question of system fit, it's one of value.

Agreed. As nervous as I am about Mac being the pick....I still don't buy it. He's a good prospect but I have a hard time imagining Kyle trading all this future capital for just another QB with limitations he'll have to plan around. It just makes no sense to me.

He'd pick Kirk Cousins. No question. Haha.

Will he in 2021? Let's see...

He wanted WFT to draft Wilson but Seattle got o him first, so they drafted Cousins instead.

Good sign!

Who do you think if it was last year?

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
He wanted WFT to draft Wilson but Seattle got o him first, so they drafted Cousins instead.

Yup this is correct they wanted Wilson over Kirk but Wilson went earlier then they projected he woulda

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Literally everyone that thinks the niners like jones is because of the type of qb that kyle has had some success with. Everyone is guessing!! For all we know it could be Jones, but none of these reports have convinced me that mac is definitely the pick. Only way we will know prior to the at least the week of the draft is that if Kyle said himself that he is or isn't, or that if someone has a leaked audio of Kyle's true intentions.

We're going to be kept in the dark for the foreseeable future.

That's the best way to look at it while not dismissing the smoke either.

I am not in the Jones camp, but I think he is getting way too much hate in our fan base due to him not being a fast runner, I would've really like him a 12, like him a lot less at 3 but I think he is a legit 1st round prospect. But I think the biggest thing national media had not considered is the character of these qbs, and so far Macs potential character concerns has been eerily quiet around the media while Fields has unfairly had these bad work ethic reports. Kyle and John had been bitten by a character concern prospect in foster from Bama, they might think twice on doing it again. But thats the rationale for the guys that don't like Mac. We don't know until draft day.

The happiest people if we take Jones will be Atlanta fans and Denver fans.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
The happiest people if we take Jones will be Atlanta fans and Denver fans.

And every NFCW team on top of it. We'd by far have the worst QB in the division & would be the laughingstocks of the league.

I would never want to eat more crow in my life if he's the pick...I also wouldn't be shocked if Lynch/kyle are fired in two yrs either.

there's a massive difference between being an amazing play caller and a legit evaluator.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ah now the truth comes out...that's why they were at Bama's pro day

2021 NFL Draft: Najee Harris thought 49ers would take him before trade [via @NBCSAuthentic, @MaioccoNBCS]https://t.co/llOO0uXrKO

— 49ers Webzone (@49erswebzone) April 6, 2021

Barrows said after the draft last yr that he knows for certain that SF was gonna take Clyde Edwards-Helaire at 31 if they stayed put.

Interesting that they are a top RB. Makes sense too. 5 million isn't a lot but a late 1st round or top of 2nd rookie makes even less and Mostert is going to be looking for a payday after next season.

Originally posted by Scratch:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by evil:
FWIW could have been using their time with Najee to quietly learn a little more about Mac.

In my opinion, that's exactly what is being done

I don't know that it's what it is, but teams have been known to do this. Wouldn't shock me at all.

Why would the 49ers have to "quietly" learn more about Jones through Harris? They can talk to Jones directly. They are picking #3. There is nothing they need to hide. Harris said the 49ers are still zooming with him to this day. That whole scenario would've only made sense if they were only talking to Harris PRIOR to making the trade. However, there is continued dialogue.

I don't think it has anything to do with gathering intel on Jones. RB is a real position of need. We lost Coleman and McKinnon. Mostert is just like Jimmy G, he gets injured far too often. That leaves Wilson Jr. and Hasty the only other two options. Harris is a perfect fit for this offense. He cuts very well and he is an elite zone scheme RB. Plus his pass catching and pass blocking abilities are the best in this class.

I wonder if Harris falls to the late 20s, do they trade up? They are still talking to him, so he has to be in play.