Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FL9er:
500 pages for Mac "f'n" Jones. Mac Jones.

49ers fans are shook, although I'm pretty sure it's just Command and NY going back and forth. I checked out 170 pages ago.

lol it's me vs everyone

I'm not buying it until I hear the name being called....if so it's less interest in the team for me, which like I said is probably a good thing

If we indeed pick Mac Jones which is 50/50 like fields and lance then how would that necessarily be a bad thing? We improved our o line, have one of the best offensive minds in the game, good receivers, one of the best right ends in football, a very good running game. Any quarterback can flourish in this system. So I'm just curious why you would be "less interested" in the team if we pick Mac Jones

Originally posted by Joecool:
Why didn't we just stay where we were, draft BPA, preferably DB/OL/RB and get Mond in the 2nd? Too late now.

Because clearly Kyle doesn't believe in Mond like he believes in whoever he's gonna pick at three. It's really not rocket science figuring this stuff out. Why even ask a question like that?

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Joecool:
We are drafting Jones. We like 3 QBs in the draft. Lawrence and Wilson are most likely 2 of the 3 we like. Fields and Lance are too similar to be that 3rd QB.

Why because they're black? If anything fields/Lance are more like Lawrence and Wilson as far as how they play the position compared Jones.

They really aren't similar. Fields is much more of a twitchy thrower, while Lance is a lot more deliberate in his motion pre-throw.

Just what I see. It's something that's bothered me about Lance this whole time. I feel like Fields is the one of these three who could throw a pass to a check down while he's sideways and getting tackled.

Not sure how you can say fields is a twitchy thrower the guy has the worst mechanics of all the top 5 QB's with his weird windup.

Because I've seen him make very sudden throws.

EDIT- let me elaborate. Lance has this tendency to spend extra time looking at the guy he's throwing to, as if he's sizing it up just right (usually this comes with moving to find a better passing lane). Fields just lets it fly.

Originally posted by bigdawg49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FL9er:
500 pages for Mac "f'n" Jones. Mac Jones.

49ers fans are shook, although I'm pretty sure it's just Command and NY going back and forth. I checked out 170 pages ago.

lol it's me vs everyone

I'm not buying it until I hear the name being called....if so it's less interest in the team for me, which like I said is probably a good thing

If we indeed pick Mac Jones which is 50/50 like fields and lance then how would that necessarily be a bad thing? We improved our o line, have one of the best offensive minds in the game, good receivers, one of the best right ends in football, a very good running game. Any quarterback can flourish in this system. So I'm just curious why you would be "less interested" in the team if we pick Mac Jones

Because he's so anti Mac that he's dug himself a hole and won't be able to root for the guy. I know from experience, I did it myself with Alex Smith back in the day. Hated him and then couldn't root for him when he was in there. Just wanted anyone else in. That's the danger of these chat forums. You get so pigeon holed in a take on a player you would rather root for him to fail at the team's expense so that you're not wrong... when literally no one cares what your uneducated, monday morning qb opinion is lol. Learn from my mistakes people. It's ok to have favorites but don't hate on a guy too much before he ever plays a game. Shanahan is a pretty bright dude that makes millions of dollars to run a team. So far so good I think most of us would agree. Let's see who he picks and what he can do with him. Can you imagine if he had Matt Ryan for like the first ten years of his career? That could very well be the situation we're building up to here in this draft.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
They really aren't similar. Fields is much more of a twitchy thrower, while Lance is a lot more deliberate in his motion pre-throw.

Just what I see. It's something that's bothered me about Lance this whole time. I feel like Fields is the one of these three who could throw a pass to a check down while he's sideways and getting tackled.

That's such a nitpicking thing...overall their play isn't close to what Mac Jones is. They spend more time out of the pocket extending plays, the have legit designed runs, they hold onto the ball, they aren't about the easy play (a lot of hero ball) etc...

I don't know how anyone could say Lawrence and wilson are their top 2 QBs and Jones must be 3rd? It's like saying Mahomes and Watson are you're two first picks and your 3rd is Jared Goff. They not remotely close to the same type of player. Their skill sets aren't the same.

If anything Lance/Fields' games resemble the other two compared to Jones. That's why the whole Jones thing doesn't add up for me...unless they think Jones is the #1 QB in this draft hands down... in that case we need to serious question Kyle and he shouldn't be involved in drafting.

Overall "kyle's picks" have turned into some pretty bad players (CJ, Pettis, Williams come to mind).

I meant similar to each other. The only things Lance and Fields have in common is big arms and athleticism.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
So any actual good QBs coming out in 2024? Our next top 5 pick.

To be fair, I don't think Mac Jones will fail, so I wouldn't expect the 49ers to be looking for a QB in the near future. I think he's actually going to be pretty damn good on a similar level to Kirk Cousins. He's just not going to be the transcending talent people want at QB.

Said it a bunch of times, but my issue isn't necessarily taking Mac. It's that they gave away a boatload of draft picks for a dude that also shouldn't be going 3rd overall.

We had no choice.

Plan A was Watson and I think we were going to get him until he destroyed everything (allegedly).

Jimmy and MInshew was not going to cut it this year and I am glad we didn't use hopium in hopes that Jones/Fields/Lance would make it to #12 or within shorter trading distance to 7-8 where we weren't guaranteed a trading partner and someone else behind us could have traded up to as Kyle said "leave us at the altar."

I'd rather overpay with the two future 1sts for Jones if that's who Kyle is set on than hope he falls far enough to be within closer reach or to our pick or hope no one else trades up for him first leaving us with Jimmy and nobody this year. That would have been ****ing unacceptable.

Trade Jimmy for the Pats 2nd rounder and combine with our 2nd to move up to 18-22 and grab another top talent and there you go we essentially get our 2022 1st rounder a year early right now and takes the sting away from next years first as long as we are picking 20+ next year.

By the time we figure out if Jones (or Fields) is legit or not it will be 2024 and we'll have all our 1st rounders again. A 1st in 2022 is 2nd round value after discounting back to present, and the 2023 1st is a 3rd round value as they have to wait two years to use it. And we got to keep all our picks this year which was huge.

This mortgaging the future talk is garbage especially if these are two 1sts in the 20+.

That's what Tannenbaum said. You aren't trading up for a player as much as a security so last second the rug isn't pulled out from under you.

Yep. Trading up the right move even if for Mac "McCorkle" Jones. Unless we fall off a cliff and start sucking those future 1sts are no big deal and present value of both are a 2nd and a 3rd, not two 1sts. Still have our 2nd-7th rounders next year and year after.

This was worth it and I don't give a damn who they pick at QB at 3. Would be super excited for Fields, and less so for Jones although still optimistic about his abilities to run this offense, and tepid excitement for the unknown that is Lance.

We HAD to get one of these top 5 QBs after Watson totally ****ed us. And himself. Allegedly.

Mac Jones would be a reach at 3 and we wasted picks moving up that far for him. He had 1 year under his belt at the best football school in the nation. I see analysts say Fields was a 1 read QB which is false, but Devonte Smith was the heisman and once Waddle went down Mac was still throwing to a wide open him or handing off to that star RB... 3yrs ppl been talkn about Lawrence or Fields at 1. Now all of sudden Mac jones is 3 and Fields is falling... im really starting to question Kyle shanny ability to evaluate talent, and thinking under pressure. Fields should be the choice over Mac no doubt. Even tho i prefer they had only moved up to draft Pitts.

Is it possible they're leaking Jones as the pick as a non-leak? Because it's really one of the other two. Wow I just blew my own mind.

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Is it possible they're leaking Jones as the pick as a non-leak? Because it's really one of the other two. Wow I just blew my own mind.

This is a clear example of Stage 1 - Denial

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Is it possible they're leaking Jones as the pick as a non-leak? Because it's really one of the other two. Wow I just blew my own mind.

It could be misinformation... but definitely seems like something is leaking out of the organization. No reason anymore for smoke screens after the Jets are now set to draft a qb at two. No one is leap frogging us. #1 and #2 are off the market. #4 looks to be on the block.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Is it possible they're leaking Jones as the pick as a non-leak? Because it's really one of the other two. Wow I just blew my own mind.

This is a clear example of Stage 1 - Denial

Denial is stage 3 on your chart guy.

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Why didn't we just stay where we were, draft BPA, preferably DB/OL/RB and get Mond in the 2nd? Too late now.

Because clearly Kyle doesn't believe in Mond like he believes in whoever he's gonna pick at three. It's really not rocket science figuring this stuff out. Why even ask a question like that?

Then it looks like we are taking Jones because Kyle doesn't want a project to develop.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Is it possible they're leaking Jones as the pick as a non-leak? Because it's really one of the other two. Wow I just blew my own mind.

This is a clear example of Stage 1 - Denial

Denial is stage 3 on your chart guy.

Stages begin after the Receipt of bad news.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Why didn't we just stay where we were, draft BPA, preferably DB/OL/RB and get Mond in the 2nd? Too late now.

Because clearly Kyle doesn't believe in Mond like he believes in whoever he's gonna pick at three. It's really not rocket science figuring this stuff out. Why even ask a question like that?

Then it looks like we are taking Jones because Kyle doesn't want a project to develop.

That's not necessarily true. Word is we're all for keeping Jimmy for a year. If he could get great production out of RGIII year one he can get production out of any of the top guys this year by year two.

Originally posted by bigdawg49:
If we indeed pick Mac Jones which is 50/50 like fields and lance then how would that necessarily be a bad thing? We improved our o line, have one of the best offensive minds in the game, good receivers, one of the best right ends in football, a very good running game. Any quarterback can flourish in this system. So I'm just curious why you would be "less interested" in the team if we pick Mac Jones

Because I've already watch what Kyle can do with good (but limited) talent at QB...at his complete best (everything goes exactly right) he's lost two SBs and put up some yards. I've watched him constantly get beat by teams that have a QB with special traits.

If the most innovative QB mind in the NFL can't figure out how to use an elite talent at QB, then maybe he's not that great of a NFL mind?

Reid won a s**t ton of games with Alex Smith, who's a super heady accurate QB...even the great play caller in Reid understood he needed more and took the high traits in Mahomes. He was able to develop him...is Kyle saying he can't do that? If he can't then maybe he should just be an OC. McVay won a ton of games with Goff, he realized he needed elite QB traits to beat these other guys.

There's not a chance in hell Mac Jones is gonna constantly beat Murray/Wilson/Stafford and then beat guys like Mahomes/Brady/Rogers/Allen etc. I just don't see it at all...it will be the same s**t as Kirk Cousins in Minn, cool we will be plus .500 make the playoffs every once in a while and when we NEED some special plays, it's not gonna be there because he simply can't do that.