Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Yup. I'm in an emotional Rollercoaster right now. While my heart wants the excitement that fields and Lance provides there is something about Mac that can surprise many of us. While i will be one of many that will be disappointed if we get Mac initially, if he ends up being a top tier QB in the mold of Ryan( who is really good idk why he is getting bogged down as a disappointed ceiling, he has just been stuck with a bad falcons organization) then this will be worth it. At the end of the day, if he gets us a ring he can have as many cookies as he wants.

This is absolutely the right mindset, esp. if you're hoping for a different QB.

Give Kyle and the kid a chance to build something together...while we watch Jimmy Garoppolo win a Superbowl this year, of course.

Exactly. A couple of years ago I was so convinced Rosen was gonna be the best QB in this draft and Allen was the next Kyle Boller. You never freaking know how these drafts turn out. He'll I thought Darnold was gonna be better than how he was, baker is better than I thought. Lamar is a lot further along than I thought he would be. At this point I can't stress myself out worrying about them picking who I want them to pick and just trust they can get the right guy. No matter who.

Originally posted by bigdawg49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by bigdawg49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by bigdawg49:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Is it possible they're leaking Jones as the pick as a non-leak? Because it's really one of the other two. Wow I just blew my own mind.

It could be misinformation... but definitely seems like something is leaking out of the organization. No reason anymore for smoke screens after the Jets are now set to draft a qb at two. No one is leap frogging us. #1 and #2 are off the market. #4 looks to be on the block.

Nothing is leaking out. Nothing ever leaks out. This isn't Trent baalke in charge anymore. The niners haven't even been to fields second pro day which they're expected to do. Mac Jones at number 3 is just speculation

I diagree. I'm not certain but this sure feels like leaks at this point. You could be right and everyone could be speculating the same thing. But so many big names saying Mac is gonna be the pick.

They speculate their opinion. Then how come nobody knew we were trading up to 3? How come nobody knew we were trading Buckner? How come nobody knew we were trading for jimmy g? But all of a sudden the talking heads in the media know everything? Give me a break. I don't understand this fetish for believing people in the media no matter how credible or big they are instead of our coach and gm who have never leaked anything. Every big move has been done in secrecy. Do you really think shanahan and lynch are gonna leak out who they're picking in their biggest draft pick in 49er history?

Because there was a reason to keep those moves quiet whereas there's not much of a reason now? Everyone knows the first two picks. Maybe they know number three as well. There's not a ton of motivation to keep it quiet at this point. #1 and #2 are off the market and the picks are surely decided by now. Same with #3 I'm sure. I dunno, I guess we'll see. You're point is nothing came out before those previous moves but there is info being floated out there now. I forget who had us taking McGlinchey right before the draft but I remember something leaked out there I believe. Leaks happen. There's a financial motive for front office personnel to leak info... they get paid by reporters for it. Maybe the Niners higher ups are throwing their guys a bone on this one? It might actually benefit the Niners to have this one leak out where it won't hurt them. That way they can throw some smoke screens with disinformation in the future. This is chess not checkers is all I'm saying. Expecting the past to continually repeat itself isn't gonna cut it when watching high level big money stuff go down in real time.

That logic doesn't make any sense. Their is no motive ever to leak especially during draft time. Shanahan and lynch have never done this especially 3 weeks before the draft. This is their biggest draft pick in their regime. You really think they're gonna give away who they're picking.

I gave you a motive... to let info leak out now when it can't hurt them so that they can leak out inaccurate info in the future that might help them.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yes. File those receipts away!

I mean I don't care about receipts ....nothing anyone says in here changes anything. If it's Mccorkle is what it is. Biggest reach in NFL history and I'm not kidding.

I will be very disappointed in this team if Jones is the pick. My interest will be about as low as it's been since they got here and I will not be spending money on them.

There isn't a chance in hell we will be beating the likes of Mahomes/Allen/Wilson/Rogers etc with him.

What a f**king joke.

Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

Also -

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yes. File those receipts away!

I mean I don't care about receipts ....nothing anyone says in here changes anything. If it's Mccorkle is what it is. Biggest reach in NFL history and I'm not kidding.

I will be very disappointed in this team if Jones is the pick. My interest will be about as low as it's been since they got here and I will not be spending money on them.

There isn't a chance in hell we will be beating the likes of Mahomes/Allen/Wilson/Rogers etc with him.

What a f**king joke.

Which is why we won't pick him. Shanahan isn't stupid. He knows he needs a generational talent. He couldn't just traded for stafford or hell even cousins who's more mobile then Jones.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

Also -

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

Yup

Originally posted by bigdawg49:
Which is why we won't pick him. Shanahan isn't stupid. He knows he needs a generational talent. He couldn't just traded for stafford or hell even cousins who's more mobile then Jones.

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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by bigdawg49:
Which is why we won't pick him. Shanahan isn't stupid. He knows he needs a generational talent. He couldn't just traded for stafford or hell even cousins who's more mobile then Jones.

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Well that's obviously incorrect. Who starts out lower before hearing bad news than after it's all over?

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

That just means he was a more experienced prospect. Says absolutely nothing about who the better prospect was. I can throw out thousands of lessor prospects than Jones that had more experience than him.

Is experience an issue the organization will look at? Of course. Was Matt Ryan a better prospect than Mac Jones? In my opinion yes. I'm old enough to have watched Matt take that BC team up to #1 in the nation for a week or two there. He was awesome. But Tim Couch was also a better prospect than Mac Jones. And Tom Brady was a substantially worse prospect than any of them. What type of prospect you are doesn't matter once you're drafted.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

Yup

Anyone knows the great WRs Matt Ryan was throwing to in college?

They didn't bother asking Saban a single question about Jones. No matter how that's spun it says a lot.

If they really wanted him they would have been asking questions. Either the whole thing was just a diversion or they saw him throw and saw all they needed to.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

Also -

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

AND conversely, Ryan has zero talent around him at BC. Not one WR played in NFL, a TE and RB were drafted but had zero NFL impact.