Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Ripamaru:
They didn't bother asking Saban a single question about Jones. No matter how that's spun it says a lot.

If they really wanted him they would have been asking questions. Either the whole thing was just a diversion or they saw him throw and saw all they needed to.

But if they asked Saban questions, it would give away that they really wanted him. Or they expect nothing but fluff from Saban.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by bigdawg49:
Which is why we won't pick him. Shanahan isn't stupid. He knows he needs a generational talent. He couldn't just traded for stafford or hell even cousins who's more mobile then Jones.

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Funny because I feel none of these things. If it's Mac Jones and he succeeds I'm good with that. But I'm pretty sure shanahan and lynch wouldn't trade up fo number 3 to pick him. They have something else in mind (hint hint fields or lance)

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

That just means he was a more experienced prospect. Says absolutely nothing about who the better prospect was. I can throw out thousands of lessor prospects than Jones that had more experience than him.

Is experience an issue the organization will look at? Of course. Was Matt Ryan a better prospect than Mac Jones? In my opinion yes. I'm old enough to have watched Matt take that BC team up to #1 in the nation for a week or two there. He was awesome. But Tim Couch was also a better prospect than Mac Jones. And Tom Brady was a substantially worse prospect than any of them. What type of prospect you are doesn't matter once you're drafted.

Well, ppl are comparing Matt Ryan and Mac Jones - so who cares about the thousands of lessor prospects?!?

Originally posted by bigdawg49:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by bigdawg49:
Which is why we won't pick him. Shanahan isn't stupid. He knows he needs a generational talent. He couldn't just traded for stafford or hell even cousins who's more mobile then Jones.

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Funny because I feel none of these things. If it's Mac Jones and he succeeds I'm good with that. But I'm pretty sure shanahan and lynch wouldn't trade up fo number 3 to pick him. They have something else in mind (hint hint fields or lance)

Or another plan altogether

Originally posted by bigdawg49:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by bigdawg49:
Which is why we won't pick him. Shanahan isn't stupid. He knows he needs a generational talent. He couldn't just traded for stafford or hell even cousins who's more mobile then Jones.

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Funny because I feel none of these things. If it's Mac Jones and he succeeds I'm good with that. But I'm pretty sure shanahan and lynch wouldn't trade up fo number 3 to pick him. They have something else in mind (hint hint fields or lance)

I'm with you except for the "pretty sure" part. If I had to bet I dunno that I wouldn't bet on Lance being the pick. But that's based on my own knowledge of the situation which is minimal to be sure. Fields also would make sense as he has some major pedigree. Jones has a ton of smoke though, would be tough to bet against him being the pick if it came down to winning or losing money if I'm right or wrong. I dunno, could be any of them.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

That just means he was a more experienced prospect. Says absolutely nothing about who the better prospect was. I can throw out thousands of lessor prospects than Jones that had more experience than him.

Is experience an issue the organization will look at? Of course. Was Matt Ryan a better prospect than Mac Jones? In my opinion yes. I'm old enough to have watched Matt take that BC team up to #1 in the nation for a week or two there. He was awesome. But Tim Couch was also a better prospect than Mac Jones. And Tom Brady was a substantially worse prospect than any of them. What type of prospect you are doesn't matter once you're drafted.

Well, ppl are comparing Matt Ryan and Mac Jones - so who cares about the thousands of lessor prospects?!?

The point is just throwing out pass attempts vs completions to highlight one guys massive edge in game experience over another doesn't say much at all about their status as prospects. Game experience is a blip on the radar compared to processing speed, accuracy, size, arm strength, etc.

People aren't comparing Jones the prospect to Ryan the prospect. They're comparing Jones the prospect to Ryan the pro. They're saying that's the type of pro you're thinking he could become if you draft him at three.

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by bigdawg49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FL9er:
500 pages for Mac "f'n" Jones. Mac Jones.

49ers fans are shook, although I'm pretty sure it's just Command and NY going back and forth. I checked out 170 pages ago.

lol it's me vs everyone

I'm not buying it until I hear the name being called....if so it's less interest in the team for me, which like I said is probably a good thing

If we indeed pick Mac Jones which is 50/50 like fields and lance then how would that necessarily be a bad thing? We improved our o line, have one of the best offensive minds in the game, good receivers, one of the best right ends in football, a very good running game. Any quarterback can flourish in this system. So I'm just curious why you would be "less interested" in the team if we pick Mac Jones

Because he's so anti Mac that he's dug himself a hole and won't be able to root for the guy. I know from experience, I did it myself with Alex Smith back in the day. Hated him and then couldn't root for him when he was in there. Just wanted anyone else in. That's the danger of these chat forums. You get so pigeon holed in a take on a player you would rather root for him to fail at the team's expense so that you're not wrong... when literally no one cares what your uneducated, monday morning qb opinion is lol. Learn from my mistakes people. It's ok to have favorites but don't hate on a guy too much before he ever plays a game. Shanahan is a pretty bright dude that makes millions of dollars to run a team. So far so good I think most of us would agree. Let's see who he picks and what he can do with him. Can you imagine if he had Matt Ryan for like the first ten years of his career? That could very well be the situation we're building up to here in this draft.

I don't think it's the fact of getting pigeonholed into your opinion. I think some more to the fact that it's absolutely insane to give up three first round picks for Mac freaking Jones. When before this trade was made, most saw him as the fifth quarterback and picked anywhere between 10 or not even a first round pick. It seems to be the only reason the pundits give when explaining why they have Jones going at three. It's not because of his talent, it's because he fits what Kyle has coached before.

You don't know that though. Like I said if he's a young Matt Ryan it's an amazing move. It's fine to have an opinion but all I'm saying is the danger is in having too strong an opinion to where you actually root against the guy because you wanna be right so bad. Mac can come in and throw 35tds in 2022 and lead us to a super bowl. It's really not that far out of the realm. Carson Wentz was having a mvp year in year 2 and the Eagles won it all. Same with Mahomes. And no one was predicting that from either of those guys. The league will always surprise you. Keep an open mind is my word of advice to young niners fans. Shanahan is a pretty exciting young coach and this is his all in move. Gonna be fun to watch for me whether it's Mac Jones or Trey Lance or Justin Fields. I'll be equally excited for any of the above.

That's such flawed logic, he compares to Matt Ryan so then all of a sudden he's worth three 1st round picks because you are assuming he will be as good as Matt Ryan? Trey Lance compares to Mahomes, so are we assuming he's going to be as good as Mahomes? No. But Lance's and Fields' ceilings are much higher. And let's remember that quarterback class when Matt Ryan came out was terrible, bad enough to where the dolphins took Jake long with the first overall pick even though they needed a quarterback. Yeah they were obviously wrong not to take Matt Ryan but his film and ability told them that he wasn't worth the first overall pick, kind of like Jones isn't worth three first round picks. And if we are a win now team and Kyle just needs his Matt Ryan, why wouldn't we just trade for Matt Ryan when we know what he is? And don't let the name fool you, I've been a die hard fan of the Niners for 36 years and while I get super angry if they pick a player that I didn't want, I would never hope for that player to fail. I'm pretty sure most fans would love to be wrong if the player turned out to be great.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

This.
I bet Kyle is actually getting pretty annoyed by all of these QB assumptions based on who he's coached previously. I think having at least a somewhat mobile quarterback would open up a whole new dynamic to his offense as well.

I wonder what number jones is gonna pick? Jimmy already has 10

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by bigdawg49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FL9er:
500 pages for Mac "f'n" Jones. Mac Jones.

49ers fans are shook, although I'm pretty sure it's just Command and NY going back and forth. I checked out 170 pages ago.

lol it's me vs everyone

I'm not buying it until I hear the name being called....if so it's less interest in the team for me, which like I said is probably a good thing

If we indeed pick Mac Jones which is 50/50 like fields and lance then how would that necessarily be a bad thing? We improved our o line, have one of the best offensive minds in the game, good receivers, one of the best right ends in football, a very good running game. Any quarterback can flourish in this system. So I'm just curious why you would be "less interested" in the team if we pick Mac Jones

Because he's so anti Mac that he's dug himself a hole and won't be able to root for the guy. I know from experience, I did it myself with Alex Smith back in the day. Hated him and then couldn't root for him when he was in there. Just wanted anyone else in. That's the danger of these chat forums. You get so pigeon holed in a take on a player you would rather root for him to fail at the team's expense so that you're not wrong... when literally no one cares what your uneducated, monday morning qb opinion is lol. Learn from my mistakes people. It's ok to have favorites but don't hate on a guy too much before he ever plays a game. Shanahan is a pretty bright dude that makes millions of dollars to run a team. So far so good I think most of us would agree. Let's see who he picks and what he can do with him. Can you imagine if he had Matt Ryan for like the first ten years of his career? That could very well be the situation we're building up to here in this draft.

I don't think it's the fact of getting pigeonholed into your opinion. I think some more to the fact that it's absolutely insane to give up three first round picks for Mac freaking Jones. When before this trade was made, most saw him as the fifth quarterback and picked anywhere between 10 or not even a first round pick. It seems to be the only reason the pundits give when explaining why they have Jones going at three. It's not because of his talent, it's because he fits what Kyle has coached before.

You don't know that though. Like I said if he's a young Matt Ryan it's an amazing move. It's fine to have an opinion but all I'm saying is the danger is in having too strong an opinion to where you actually root against the guy because you wanna be right so bad. Mac can come in and throw 35tds in 2022 and lead us to a super bowl. It's really not that far out of the realm. Carson Wentz was having a mvp year in year 2 and the Eagles won it all. Same with Mahomes. And no one was predicting that from either of those guys. The league will always surprise you. Keep an open mind is my word of advice to young niners fans. Shanahan is a pretty exciting young coach and this is his all in move. Gonna be fun to watch for me whether it's Mac Jones or Trey Lance or Justin Fields. I'll be equally excited for any of the above.

That's such flawed logic, he compares to Matt Ryan so then all of a sudden he's worth three 1st round picks because you are assuming he will be as good as Matt Ryan? Trey Lance compares to Mahomes, so are we assuming he's going to be as good as Mahomes? No. But Lance's and Fields' ceilings are much higher. And let's remember that quarterback class when Matt Ryan came out was terrible, bad enough to where the dolphins took Jake long with the first overall pick even though they needed a quarterback. Yeah they were obviously wrong not to take Matt Ryan but his film and ability told them that he wasn't worth the first overall pick, kind of like Jones isn't worth three first round picks. And if we are a win now team and Kyle just needs his Matt Ryan, why wouldn't we just trade for Matt Ryan when we know what he is? And don't let the name fool you, I've been a die hard fan of the Niners for 36 years and while I get super angry if they pick a player that I didn't want, I would never hope for that player to fail. I'm pretty sure most fans would love to be wrong if the player turned out to be great.

First off... they're comparing Jones the prospect to Ryan the pro, not Ryan the prospect. No reason to go back and look at Matt's draft class coming out. People are saying when they look at Jones and look for a modern player comp Matt Ryan is the best one. They might be wrong but that's what some nfl guys are saying. People are comping Trevor Lawrence to John Elway and Zack Wilson to Aaron Rodgers. Doesn't mean any of them will be that good but only that that's the type of guy the team that drafts them is hoping they're gonna get.

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

That just means he was a more experienced prospect. Says absolutely nothing about who the better prospect was. I can throw out thousands of lessor prospects than Jones that had more experience than him.

Is experience an issue the organization will look at? Of course. Was Matt Ryan a better prospect than Mac Jones? In my opinion yes. I'm old enough to have watched Matt take that BC team up to #1 in the nation for a week or two there. He was awesome. But Tim Couch was also a better prospect than Mac Jones. And Tom Brady was a substantially worse prospect than any of them. What type of prospect you are doesn't matter once you're drafted.

Well, ppl are comparing Matt Ryan and Mac Jones - so who cares about the thousands of lessor prospects?!?

The point is just throwing out pass attempts vs completions to highlight one guys massive edge in game experience over another doesn't say much at all about their status as prospects. Game experience is a blip on the radar compared to processing speed, accuracy, size, arm strength, etc.

And my point is - Mac Jones' most desirable trait is - he can read defenses and is NFL ready. I dispute that - I believe there isn't enough resume to make that claim. He has played 1 season of college ball. I don't think you can be NFL ready after 1 season of snaps - tossing balls to the most talented roster in the game. Opposing defensive coordinators haven't had a full off-season to study him and find faults in his game - like they were able to do with Matt Ryan. Not to mention - it was a COVID season - which hurts lesser talented teams and made it harder to implement complex offense or defense to begin with.

It's a lot of risk to take a guy who dominated 1 season of college ball on of his ability to read defenses - in a season where coaches couldn't have possibly implement very complex schemes.

Bengals and Joey Burrow about to gain a new fan since I live.near cinci. Let this ish happen smh

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by roasthawg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

That just means he was a more experienced prospect. Says absolutely nothing about who the better prospect was. I can throw out thousands of lessor prospects than Jones that had more experience than him.

Is experience an issue the organization will look at? Of course. Was Matt Ryan a better prospect than Mac Jones? In my opinion yes. I'm old enough to have watched Matt take that BC team up to #1 in the nation for a week or two there. He was awesome. But Tim Couch was also a better prospect than Mac Jones. And Tom Brady was a substantially worse prospect than any of them. What type of prospect you are doesn't matter once you're drafted.

Well, ppl are comparing Matt Ryan and Mac Jones - so who cares about the thousands of lessor prospects?!?

The point is just throwing out pass attempts vs completions to highlight one guys massive edge in game experience over another doesn't say much at all about their status as prospects. Game experience is a blip on the radar compared to processing speed, accuracy, size, arm strength, etc.

And my point is - Mac Jones' most desirable trait is - he can read defenses and is NFL ready. I dispute that - I believe there isn't enough resume to make that claim. He has played 1 season of college ball. I don't think you can be NFL ready after 1 season of snaps - tossing balls to the most talented roster in the game. Opposing defensive coordinators haven't had a full off-season to study him and find faults in his game - like they were able to do with Matt Ryan. Not to mention - it was a COVID season - which hurts lesser talented teams and made it harder to implement complex offense or defense to begin with.

It's a lot of risk to take a guy who dominated 1 season of college ball on of his ability to read defenses - in a season where coaches couldn't have possibly implement very complex schemes.

People are saying that based on his tape. He goes thru multiple progressions very quickly and much more often than the other top prospects. The fact that he only did it for one season doesn't change the fact that he did it at the college level whereas some a Fields doesn't have much tape of him hitting the 3rd or 4th guy in a progression. Doesn't mean he can't do it, just means he hasn't.

The entire draft is a risk. Who's less risky than Jones? Lance who didn't play last year? Fields who only played six games last year? It's a crap shoot period. Kyle is gonna take the guy who has the most traits that he's looking for in a qb.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Matt Ryan had ridiculous amounts of talent on offense with him for pretty much the entire time he has the QB for the Falcons.

Ridiculous amounts of talent.

I wouldn't call him an elite QB by any stretch of imagination. That is with all-pro caliber talent at WR almost every year of his career.

And Ryan is the absolute highest Jones is as a prospect...and that's stretching it. Spending 3 1sts on a system QB LOL.

Out great offensive innovator can't work with elite talent. What a joke.

Mac Jones has attempted 556 passes in his college career.
Matt Ryan completed 807 passes in his college career.

Matt Ryan was an exponentially better prospect.

We can talk about stats that favor Mac Jones over Matt Ryan as well.

Both of their stats for final and best college seasons.

Matt Ryan 6.9 yards per pass attempt.
Mac Jones 11.2 yards per attempt.

Matt Ryan 59.3 completion percentage.
Mac Jones 77.4 completion percentage

Matt Ryan 31/9 TD to INT ratio
Mac Jones 41/4 TD to INT ratio

They both threw for 4500 yards. But Mac did it in one less game played. Also way more amazing in 250 less passes thrown.
Yes, you just read that right in 250 less passes and same amount of yards.

If you were comparing their best seasons in college. Mac Jones best had a way better season then Matt Ryan. It is really not even close based on the stats. That is coming from someone who sees them as potentially very similar QBs.

Originally posted by BMoore56:
Bengals and Joey Burrow about to gain a new fan since I live.near cinci. Let this ish happen smh