Originally posted by Bloodless:
All I am hearing is excuses as to why Mac Jones put up way better stats then Matt Ryan. Not just slightly better stats but significantly better stats. You were the one who tried bringing some crap stat as to why Matt Ryan was a better prospect than Mac Jones. I am fully aware of the teams differences and even the difference in college football at that time. But to say that Matt Ryan was on another level as a prospect from Mac Jones, Is just false.
lol do you bc it doesn't seem like it.
I posted pass attempt stats to show - he doesn't have enough experience to be called NFL-ready.
Originally posted by FL9er:
500 pages for Mac "f'n" Jones. Mac Jones.
49ers fans are shook, although I'm pretty sure it's just Command and NY going back and forth. I checked out 170 pages ago.
lol it's me vs everyone
I'm not buying it until I hear the name being called....if so it's less interest in the team for me, which like I said is probably a good thing
If we indeed pick Mac Jones which is 50/50 like fields and lance then how would that necessarily be a bad thing? We improved our o line, have one of the best offensive minds in the game, good receivers, one of the best right ends in football, a very good running game. Any quarterback can flourish in this system. So I'm just curious why you would be "less interested" in the team if we pick Mac Jones
Because he's so anti Mac that he's dug himself a hole and won't be able to root for the guy. I know from experience, I did it myself with Alex Smith back in the day. Hated him and then couldn't root for him when he was in there. Just wanted anyone else in. That's the danger of these chat forums. You get so pigeon holed in a take on a player you would rather root for him to fail at the team's expense so that you're not wrong... when literally no one cares what your uneducated, monday morning qb opinion is lol. Learn from my mistakes people. It's ok to have favorites but don't hate on a guy too much before he ever plays a game. Shanahan is a pretty bright dude that makes millions of dollars to run a team. So far so good I think most of us would agree. Let's see who he picks and what he can do with him. Can you imagine if he had Matt Ryan for like the first ten years of his career? That could very well be the situation we're building up to here in this draft.
I don't think it's the fact of getting pigeonholed into your opinion. I think some more to the fact that it's absolutely insane to give up three first round picks for Mac freaking Jones. When before this trade was made, most saw him as the fifth quarterback and picked anywhere between 10 or not even a first round pick. It seems to be the only reason the pundits give when explaining why they have Jones going at three. It's not because of his talent, it's because he fits what Kyle has coached before.
You don't know that though. Like I said if he's a young Matt Ryan it's an amazing move. It's fine to have an opinion but all I'm saying is the danger is in having too strong an opinion to where you actually root against the guy because you wanna be right so bad. Mac can come in and throw 35tds in 2022 and lead us to a super bowl. It's really not that far out of the realm. Carson Wentz was having a mvp year in year 2 and the Eagles won it all. Same with Mahomes. And no one was predicting that from either of those guys. The league will always surprise you. Keep an open mind is my word of advice to young niners fans. Shanahan is a pretty exciting young coach and this is his all in move. Gonna be fun to watch for me whether it's Mac Jones or Trey Lance or Justin Fields. I'll be equally excited for any of the above.
That's such flawed logic, he compares to Matt Ryan so then all of a sudden he's worth three 1st round picks because you are assuming he will be as good as Matt Ryan? Trey Lance compares to Mahomes, so are we assuming he's going to be as good as Mahomes? No. But Lance's and Fields' ceilings are much higher. And let's remember that quarterback class when Matt Ryan came out was terrible, bad enough to where the dolphins took Jake long with the first overall pick even though they needed a quarterback. Yeah they were obviously wrong not to take Matt Ryan but his film and ability told them that he wasn't worth the first overall pick, kind of like Jones isn't worth three first round picks. And if we are a win now team and Kyle just needs his Matt Ryan, why wouldn't we just trade for Matt Ryan when we know what he is? And don't let the name fool you, I've been a die hard fan of the Niners for 36 years and while I get super angry if they pick a player that I didn't want, I would never hope for that player to fail. I'm pretty sure most fans would love to be wrong if the player turned out to be great.
First off... they're comparing Jones the prospect to Ryan the pro, not Ryan the prospect. No reason to go back and look at Matt's draft class coming out. People are saying when they look at Jones and look for a modern player comp Matt Ryan is the best one. They might be wrong but that's what some nfl guys are saying. People are comping Trevor Lawrence to John Elway and Zack Wilson to Aaron Rodgers. Doesn't mean any of them will be that good but only that that's the type of guy the team that drafts them is hoping they're gonna get.
Matt Ryan the pro is the same as Matt Ryan the prospect. He's still a terrible athlete with no mobility, same as Jones.
Fields has just as good accuracy with much greater physical tools. The only quality Joannes could be better at is the most intangible and hardest to measure, the mental part. And I heard today on Sirius that Fields had the best recall out of any QB prospect in the draft, ever.
I couldn't remember what the test was called but when I googled it I found a second account of the interview.
I'm paraphrasing here, but there is an aptitude test that professional athletes are put through to test their ability to determine the number of repetitions needed for them to "get it", as well as their ability to recall these information after a while. 6500 tests were administered historically, and Justin Fields scored the highest ever at 130. Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen scored a 108 on this exam, and typically anything over 100 is really good.
Kyle has always said the problem with athletic quarterbacks is that all their life, they've been the best athlete on the field. He just thinks it's very hard to get a guy like that to consistently stay in the pocket and find the solution there.
Do we know Kyle loves Cousins? He ran a 4.84, to Jones' 4.79. (Oh, and Garoppolo's 4.97).
Kyle believes he provides solutions for almost all situations. Of course defenses will win some plays, no matter what your style of play, but he values toughness by a quarterback standing in and getting rid of the ball in the best way possible, either down field, or to an outlet, or just throwing it away. Sometimes just taking a sack is the best solution, no matter how athletic you are (or if you're trying to run).
Mac Jones is acknowledged by all to be very smart, who can read defenses very well both pre and post snap, who is superlative at recognizing a progression at lightning speed, is very accurate with the ball on deep, intermediate, and short passes, who consistently places the ball to throw his guy open and maximize RAC, and can understand and apply a complex offensive scheme and can quickly make the appropriate decisions depending on the defenses reaction, and who really Never makes WTF plays, allowing him to trust his quarterback and play aggressively. (That will be different). He's the Only guy Kyle Knows can keep up with him mentally and stay true to his offensive plan. This guy was tailor made for Kyle.
Way too much is made of his supposed lack of athleticism. I previously showed line by line his 40 time is faster than 76 percent of all Super Bowl winners this century.
IMO, it's going to be Jones, and for the first time, Kyle will be comfortable using his whole offense. Kyle is our ticket to winning Super Bowls, not Super Man. And we will.
ICYMI - I think this is the best analysis of Mac Jones. If you haven't watched it and really want to learn about Mac's game, watch former NFL QB Tim Jenkins review Mac Jones' tape and answer the question of is Mac Jones the most pro-ready QB in the draft? It's long(31m) but extremely educational and informative.
If you watch this, I think it's really easy to understand how Shanny could love this dude. He's just really good in spite of all of his physical shortcomings.
Originally posted by Bloodless:
All I am hearing is excuses as to why Mac Jones put up way better stats then Matt Ryan. Not just slightly better stats but significantly better stats. You were the one who tried bringing some crap stat as to why Matt Ryan was a better prospect than Mac Jones. I am fully aware of the teams differences and even the difference in college football at that time. But to say that Matt Ryan was on another level as a prospect from Mac Jones, Is just false.
lol do you bc it doesn't seem like it.
I posted pass attempt stats to show - he doesn't have enough experience to be called NFL-ready.
Hey, since you love the passes attempted stat so much. You must really loathe Trey Lance Huh? He must be going undrafted after those God-awful passes attempted stats he put up?
Originally posted by BOI49er:
I just don't get all the angst.
Kyle has always said the problem with athletic quarterbacks is that all their life, they've been the best athlete on the field. He just thinks it's very hard to get a guy like that to consistently stay in the pocket and find the solution there.
Do we know Kyle loves Cousins? He ran a 4.84, to Jones' 4.79. (Oh, and Garoppolo's 4.97).
Kyle believes he provides solutions for almost all situations. Of course defenses will win some plays, no matter what your style of play, but he values toughness by a quarterback standing in and getting rid of the ball in the best way possible, either down field, or to an outlet, or just throwing it away. Sometimes just taking a sack is the best solution, no matter how athletic you are (or if you're trying to run).
Mac Jones is acknowledged by all to be very smart, who can read defenses very well both pre and post snap, who is superlative at recognizing a progression at lightning speed, is very accurate with the ball on deep, intermediate, and short passes, who consistently places the ball to throw his guy open and maximize RAC, and can understand and apply a complex offensive scheme and can quickly make the appropriate decisions depending on the defenses reaction, and who really Never makes WTF plays, allowing him to trust his quarterback and play aggressively. (That will be different). He's the Only guy Kyle Knows can keep up with him mentally and stay true to his offensive plan. This guy was tailor made for Kyle.
Way too much is made of his supposed lack of athleticism. I previously showed line by line his 40 time is faster than 76 percent of all Super Bowl winners this century.
IMO, it's going to be Jones, and for the first time, Kyle will be comfortable using his whole offense. Kyle is our ticket to winning Super Bowls, not Super Man. And we will.
The best year we have had under Kyle he obviously thought by passing up on Mahomes that he could scheme his way to a super bowl from the sideline without premium talent under center. We got beaten like a drum all year by the likes of Russell Lamar Jackson and almost Kyler Murray only to then advance to the super bowl and find out on the biggest stage that Kyle could scheme the perfect game and have the perfect defense but that a game breaking talent under center could bend a defense to it's will
We lost that Super Bowl with an all time defense because Kyle's scheme could not do vs an inferior defense what Mahomes (Superman) could do vs our all time defense
I don't want this to happen again when we've traded away THREE 1sts! We better be getting a game breaker in return for this haul because I can't see many other teams giving up this ransom for Mac Jones
If we did all this for Mac I am gonna enjoy this board throughout the 2021 season
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Originally posted by BOI49er:
I just don't get all the angst.
Kyle has always said the problem with athletic quarterbacks is that all their life, they've been the best athlete on the field. He just thinks it's very hard to get a guy like that to consistently stay in the pocket and find the solution there.
Do we know Kyle loves Cousins? He ran a 4.84, to Jones' 4.79. (Oh, and Garoppolo's 4.97).
Kyle believes he provides solutions for almost all situations. Of course defenses will win some plays, no matter what your style of play, but he values toughness by a quarterback standing in and getting rid of the ball in the best way possible, either down field, or to an outlet, or just throwing it away. Sometimes just taking a sack is the best solution, no matter how athletic you are (or if you're trying to run).
Mac Jones is acknowledged by all to be very smart, who can read defenses very well both pre and post snap, who is superlative at recognizing a progression at lightning speed, is very accurate with the ball on deep, intermediate, and short passes, who consistently places the ball to throw his guy open and maximize RAC, and can understand and apply a complex offensive scheme and can quickly make the appropriate decisions depending on the defenses reaction, and who really Never makes WTF plays, allowing him to trust his quarterback and play aggressively. (That will be different). He's the Only guy Kyle Knows can keep up with him mentally and stay true to his offensive plan. This guy was tailor made for Kyle.
Way too much is made of his supposed lack of athleticism. I previously showed line by line his 40 time is faster than 76 percent of all Super Bowl winners this century.
IMO, it's going to be Jones, and for the first time, Kyle will be comfortable using his whole offense. Kyle is our ticket to winning Super Bowls, not Super Man. And we will.
I agree. Sorry, but looking at Fields I don't see with the same confidence and speed behind the pocket. And Lance, who may end up being good, is way too raw and a huge risk. Mac can start day 1.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yes. File those receipts away!
I mean I don't care about receipts ....nothing anyone says in here changes anything. If it's Mccorkle is what it is. Biggest reach in NFL history and I'm not kidding.
I will be very disappointed in this team if Jones is the pick. My interest will be about as low as it's been since they got here and I will not be spending money on them.
There isn't a chance in hell we will be beating the likes of Mahomes/Allen/Wilson/Rogers etc with him.
What a f**king joke.
Garoppolo killed Rodgers and beat Seattle. Our defense was the one who struggled with Mahomes the final 7 minutes and Allen killed them. That puts him right in the mix while they each beat each other out.
I swear there must be some bad blood. I never seen so much hate towards a player from someone. I mean there's the Armstead thread but this one is different.
I agree. Sorry, but looking at Fields I don't see with the same confidence and speed behind the pocket. And Lance, who may end up being good, is way too raw and a huge risk. Mac can start day 1.
