Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Watch this, and you'll get it.

Lol so many passes with impeccable protection. "Look at this genius!!!"

Reading defenses is not a function of raw intelligence. Learning playbooks and coverages are. Reading defenses is about instinct.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Watch this, and you'll get it.

Lol so many passes with impeccable protection. "Look at this genius!!!"

Haha this...wow just amazing. He got 3 yrs to sit and learn a offense. His ceiling is all but maxed out.

dude is gonna get booed out of Levi. The fans are gonna riot.

ugh, this is just going to suck.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Reading defenses is not a function of raw intelligence. Learning playbooks and coverages are. Reading defenses is about instinct.

No it's actually a learned trait go look at Mahomes and Allen and literally every rookie QB that's had success over the past 5 yrs or so

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
If Garoppolo could have hit Sanders, we'd have won that SB. If Garoppolo could hit Any deep pass, we'd have succeeded in Kyle's philosophy of making the defense defend "every blade of grass", they'd of deepened their coverage, and the score would already have been out of reach. If Kyle could have trusted his quarterback to not make WTF plays, he's have played more aggressively, and the score likewise would have been out of reach. Mac's arm "talent" is Anything but sub par, if accuracy has anything to do with talent.

Teams lose Super Bowls because they play cautiously, while the other team gambles, and gambles again, until it works. Kyle won't do that with a quarterback he trusts to only throw eight times in a playoff game. Points come out of the passing game, and you must be willing to take your chances on offense when it's one and done. We are not.

We'll start with Garoppolo while Jones gets comfortable with the offense, but I'll bet a lot Jones will have taken over before the playoffs. "We've looked at the last four years, and took a look at what we want the next four years look like". You want the best defense you can get, but the bottom line is you have to be able to outscore the other guy, because yes, there are aggressive coaches and quarterbacks out there, and we're not matching them, and we won't without the proven "trait" of a quick minded quarterback Kyle can trust.

And all Jimmy did was hit deep passes in college...kyle loses SBs because he can't depend on his players to make a play, meanwhile the other team does.

Mac Jones will never beat Rogers/Wilson/mahomes/Allen etc this team is no better and actually worse

Jimmy hitting deep passes in college? Maybe up the seam, but most of that offense was something similar to what New England runs (what a surprise they drafted him).

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Watch this, and you'll get it.

Lol so many passes with impeccable protection. "Look at this genius!!!"

Haha this...wow just amazing. He got 3 yrs to sit and learn a offense. His ceiling is all but maxed out.

dude is gonna get booed out of Levi. The fans are gonna riot.

ugh, this is just going to suck.

That's what I've been saying. This kid has to be Joe reincarnated or he's screwed lol

Originally posted by Jr16702:
Have you watched the game film? He scans the field 100x better than Lance or Fields. In this 2020-2021 season, Justin Fields threw to a receiver that was not his first read only 7 times. THE ENTIRE SEASON. If that's not a red flag, I don't know what is. Mac's eyes are always down the field and looking for the open receiver. He is exactly what we need in our offense. Also, everyone needs to quit with this beer belly and DUI bs. Not everyone's bodies are built to be ripped and have a six pack. If he wasn't a pocket passer, I would agree, but in his case who cares if he has some fat.

I've watched the film at that 7x thing has been debunked. He had more than that just against Clemson.

He was the highest rated passer after his first read (which has a min 60 attempts) so clearly not that heavy on his first read.

His % of throws to his first read was only slightly higher than the NFL average of ~66%.

Watch that Clemson tape. He had long TD on his 4th read. Another throw to his 5th read. He has plenty of tape of him quickly going through progressions.

He's also more accurate than any QB in this class 83.1% depth adjusted accuracy.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Reading defenses is not a function of raw intelligence. Learning playbooks and coverages are. Reading defenses is about instinct.

Literally everything Mac Jones allegedly "knows" over fields (and imo that is nothing, I think fields is great but I'll humor the gang) can be taught. Someone saying that a QB cannot "learn" to read coverages, defenses,etc. is ignorant. Go look at QBs throughout history and how much they got better at understanding coverage in the nfl.

Now show me a QB with a middling arm in college or who was an unathletic mess (both of which describe Mac) who suddenly had zip to their throws or became athletic. Doesn't happen

Originally posted by Heroism:

Tuscaloosa ➡️ San Francisco@McShay13 and @RealTannenbaum think Mac Jones will be headed west on draft night. pic.twitter.com/ummNrgyjqP

— NFL on ESPN (@ESPNNFL) April 6, 2021

lol

Originally posted by Rathof44:
ugh, this is just going to suck.

It's crazy all kinds of HCs can take high end talent at the QB position and turn them into great players...but Kyle can't??

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Reading defenses is not a function of raw intelligence. Learning playbooks and coverages are. Reading defenses is about instinct.

No it's actually a learned trait go look at Mahomes and Allen and literally every rookie QB that's had success over the past 5 yrs or so

Part of reading defense is a learned trait. Part of it is instinct. I was lazy with the generalization.

Knowing theoretically where the holes in a defense will be and where you should theoretically go with the ball is learned.

SEEING where the holes in the defense are in the heat of battle while everything is in motion is instinct.

Originally posted by Ripamaru:

Originally posted by Jr16702:
Have you watched the game film? He scans the field 100x better than Lance or Fields. In this 2020-2021 season, Justin Fields threw to a receiver that was not his first read only 7 times. THE ENTIRE SEASON. If that's not a red flag, I don't know what is. Mac's eyes are always down the field and looking for the open receiver. He is exactly what we need in our offense. Also, everyone needs to quit with this beer belly and DUI bs. Not everyone's bodies are built to be ripped and have a six pack. If he wasn't a pocket passer, I would agree, but in his case who cares if he has some fat.

I've watched the film at that 7x thing has been debunked. He had more than that just against Clemson.

He was the highest rated passer after his first read (which has a min 60 attempts) so clearly not that heavy on his first read.

His % of throws to his first read was only slightly higher than the NFL average of ~66%.

Watch that Clemson tape. He had long TD on his 4th read. Another throw to his 5th read. He has plenty of tape of him quickly going through progressions.

He's also more accurate than any QB in this class 83.1% depth adjusted accuracy.

Just wondering how good he would have been on Washington State or Iowa. lol

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Reading defenses is not a function of raw intelligence. Learning playbooks and coverages are. Reading defenses is about instinct.

Literally everything Mac Jones allegedly "knows" over fields (and imo that is nothing, I think fields is great but I'll humor the gang) can be taught. Someone saying that a QB cannot "learn" to read coverages, defenses,etc. is ignorant. Go look at QBs throughout history and how much they got better at understanding coverage in the nfl.

Now show me a QB with a middling arm in college or who was an unathletic mess (both of which describe Mac) who suddenly had zip to their throws or became athletic. Doesn't happen

Yeah, go look at QBs through history and see than fifty times as many don't figure it out than do. We've had about 7 on our team that never did in the last decade.

Knowing INTELLECTUALLY about reading defenses and where you should go with the ball is learned. SEEING in the heat of battle, anticipating movement, and feeling it out is much more instinct than learning. It can be learned in the sense that you can learn to juggle, but it's much harder, because part of it no amount of study can help you with.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Ripamaru:

Originally posted by Jr16702:
Have you watched the game film? He scans the field 100x better than Lance or Fields. In this 2020-2021 season, Justin Fields threw to a receiver that was not his first read only 7 times. THE ENTIRE SEASON. If that's not a red flag, I don't know what is. Mac's eyes are always down the field and looking for the open receiver. He is exactly what we need in our offense. Also, everyone needs to quit with this beer belly and DUI bs. Not everyone's bodies are built to be ripped and have a six pack. If he wasn't a pocket passer, I would agree, but in his case who cares if he has some fat.

I've watched the film at that 7x thing has been debunked. He had more than that just against Clemson.

He was the highest rated passer after his first read (which has a min 60 attempts) so clearly not that heavy on his first read.

His % of throws to his first read was only slightly higher than the NFL average of ~66%.

Watch that Clemson tape. He had long TD on his 4th read. Another throw to his 5th read. He has plenty of tape of him quickly going through progressions.

He's also more accurate than any QB in this class 83.1% depth adjusted accuracy.

Just wondering how good he would have been on Washington State or Iowa. lol

Adjusted accuracy is not affected by WR skill. Only the oline would affect that.