Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You're preaching to the choir here. I 100% agree with you. I have no problem with someone liking Jones, but I will let them know I think they are wrong lol

However it is annoying when we are told not to question the regime. That's some condescending cop out to me. We are on a forum. We are supposed to share each other's opinions and discuss them. The main focus should be the coaches and front offices performance past and present. It's literally the entire point lol

Yeah everyone can have an opinion...but they're wrong though

Yup and 4 yrs into this regime there are some massive questions. multiple losing seasons, straight up bad picks, passing on game changing FQBs, reaching for players and now giving up THREE 1sts rd picks on a straight up system QB with no elite traits that he can live off when s**t hits the fan. Kyle and everyone else on the roster is gonna have to run a damn near perfect game every single week lol. so stupid.

I hope Kyle and Co. have learned and adapted, everything he's been talking about for the past 6 months kinda was leaning that why BUT this would contradict all of that.

Also I just don't get how everyone can say Lawrence and Wilson are their two top QBs, and MccKorkle is their 3rd? They play the position completely differently...Lawrence/wilson spend half their time running around extending plays outside of the pocket. They have designed runs. they have top end arms and are athletic..if anything Lance/Fields fit that mold MUCH more then Jones.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
You do you. I'll root for my team like I always have.

You can root for your team AND question all the miss steps and b******t too.

Kyle is not beyond being questioned....there's all kinds of misses at the most important positions, there's a f**k ton of reaching in the draft, blown games, bad FA signings, lost seasons, NOT adapting and realizing you might need something more than your playbook to win games.

Jones was considered a late first to second round prospect, maybe a reach in middle of the first, but that's how it goes with QB's.

We trade up to 3 and Simms makes a logical correlation that he could be a fit. Now Jones is a solid top 3 pick? C'mon. There are 31 other teams in this league and absolutely nobody was talking about Jones being picked 3rd overall.

I say no to the plug and play system qb.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You can root for your team AND question all the miss steps and b******t too.

Kyle is not beyond being questioned....there's all kinds of misses at the most important positions, there's a f**k ton of reaching in the draft, blown games, bad FA signings, lost seasons, NOT adapting and realizing you might need something more than your playbook to win games.

I will say that if Shanahan chooses Jones (and it appears as this decision would be a veto situation over Lynch), the hot seat for him comes faster and the patience of the fan base is much smaller. It's actually for him, a bigger gamble because Jones may have a high floor, but he also has a low ceiling. It just seems like the most likely possibility is Jones is at or slightly better version of Jimmy. We needed a lot of lucky breaks in 2019 to make it to the SB, a combination that is unlikely to repeat anytime soon. Unless there is dramatic improvement at the QB position.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
AND it's looking at past work....Kyle is too arrogant to draft guys like Mahomes/Watson/Allen because he wants to be the guy. He wanted freaking Kirk Cousins over those dudes. He wanted CJ beathard. He wanted John Beck at 10 overall....that's a f**king problem. Mike shanahan or Lynch needs to step in and say. stop it!

IF he goes Mcckorkle is shows he hasn't learned s**t....after getting piss pounded by Allen he said scheme didn't matter, there was nothing they could do vs him. He lost a SB because his QB couldn't move enough to avoid a sack and throw it away. He lost another SB because elite talent at the QB, NOT because of Andy Reid's scheme.

What's even more stupid is the whole we need a healthy QB, so lets go with the least athletic QB (by far) and stick them behind a Kyle built OL that does NOT value pass-pro and lineman that can anchor. It's all about movement/speed there, which makes no god damn sense if it's McCorkle.

I'm with ya NY. Mac Jones is not the kind of guy that you throw away multiple first round picks for. He is who he is. He's not a terrible talent but he's a guy that will play within the system.

As great of a play caller as Kyle is. 60 plays will not go as scripted in a game. They just won't. When the play breaks down you like to have someone at qb that can make something out of nothing. That's the kind of qb you throw multiple first round picks at. Otherwise we might as well keep Jimmy and use those first round picks to keep the talent level high around him.

We'll see what happens but I just have a hard time believing that this team threw multiple first round picks away to move up and take Jones. There's no way Kyle hasn't seen how difficult it is to beat guys like Allen, Mahomes, Wilson, etc.. when we've been matched up against them. I hope he's learned something from it. Draft can't get here quick enough.

He's Jared Goff that got to play on Bama.

Yup I just don't get it...you can not rely on scheme for 60 plays a game. You have guys like Aaron Donald who f**k that s**t up as soon as the ball is snapped. Ramsey locking down his first read. McG getting run over by a CB on a blitz lol. Then what? McCorkle is NOT a play maker. He's the definition of a system QB which you can find in every single draft. I would rather have Jimmy or take Davis Mills in the second. He's at least has a legit arm and is smart as f**k too.

Jones will never be a top 5 QB in this league, regardless if Kyle is calling the plays. I pray that they have fooled everyone. I feel like that's not the case, Kyle is just being Kyle and this one might get him fired.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You're preaching to the choir here. I 100% agree with you. I have no problem with someone liking Jones, but I will let them know I think they are wrong lol

However it is annoying when we are told not to question the regime. That's some condescending cop out to me. We are on a forum. We are supposed to share each other's opinions and discuss them. The main focus should be the coaches and front offices performance past and present. It's literally the entire point lol

Yeah everyone can have an opinion...but they're wrong though

Yup and 4 yrs into this regime there are some massive questions. multiple losing seasons, straight up bad picks, passing on game changing FQBs, reaching for players and now giving up THREE 1sts rd picks on a straight up system QB with no elite traits that he can live off when s**t hits the fan. Kyle and everyone else on the roster is gonna have to run a damn near perfect game every single week lol. so stupid.

I hope Kyle and Co. have learned and adapted, everything he's been talking about for the past 6 months kinda was leaning that why BUT this would contradict all of that.

Also I just don't get how everyone can say Lawrence and Wilson are their two top QBs, and MccKorkle is their 3rd? They play the position completely differently...Lawrence/wilson spend half their time running around extending plays outside of the pocket. They have designed runs. they have top end arms and are athletic..if anything Lance/Fields fit that mold MUCH more then Jones.

Yup I just said this in my previous post. Nobody had Jones top 5 pick gtfoh.

When we were at 12 the idea was he would be decent value their with the other 4 gone. Could Jones go top ten? Sure, but we are now at 3, no way in hell I take him over Fields or even Lance after giving up all those first rounders. You don't do that for Jones, you do that for Fields.

I think Jones could be a viable starter in the NFL, especially with Kyle, but that's why I want Fields. He could be legendary under Kyle. If we take Jones you and I both know it's a wash and we will be starting over again after a few more wasted years.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I will say that if Shanahan chooses Jones (and it appears as this decision would be a veto situation over Lynch), the hot seat for him comes faster and the patience of the fan base is much smaller. It's actually for him, a bigger gamble because Jones may have a high floor, but he also has a low ceiling. It just seems like the most likely possibility is Jones is at or slightly better version of Jimmy. We needed a lot of lucky breaks in 2019 to make it to the SB, a combination that is unlikely to repeat anytime soon. Unless there is dramatic improvement at the QB position.

Oh and it's a stupid amount of pressure for Mac to be freaking Tom Brady. I was reading the comments under Lynch's last tweet and the fans are gonna riot if Jones is the pick. Legit he's gonna get booed the moment he steps on the field.

Winning some games isn't gonna make it good either, at least with Fields/Lance you have a big part of the fan base that are willing to wait and let them develop BECAUSE of that massive upside. Jones doesn't have that at all. He's a Jared Goff/Kirk prospect.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
AND it's looking at past work....Kyle is too arrogant to draft guys like Mahomes/Watson/Allen because he wants to be the guy. He wanted freaking Kirk Cousins over those dudes. He wanted CJ beathard. He wanted John Beck at 10 overall....that's a f**king problem. Mike shanahan or Lynch needs to step in and say. stop it!

IF he goes Mcckorkle is shows he hasn't learned s**t....after getting piss pounded by Allen he said scheme didn't matter, there was nothing they could do vs him. He lost a SB because his QB couldn't move enough to avoid a sack and throw it away. He lost another SB because elite talent at the QB, NOT because of Andy Reid's scheme.

What's even more stupid is the whole we need a healthy QB, so lets go with the least athletic QB (by far) and stick them behind a Kyle built OL that does NOT value pass-pro and lineman that can anchor. It's all about movement/speed there, which makes no god damn sense if it's McCorkle.

I'm with ya NY. Mac Jones is not the kind of guy that you throw away multiple first round picks for. He is who he is. He's not a terrible talent but he's a guy that will play within the system.

As great of a play caller as Kyle is. 60 plays will not go as scripted in a game. They just won't. When the play breaks down you like to have someone at qb that can make something out of nothing. That's the kind of qb you throw multiple first round picks at. Otherwise we might as well keep Jimmy and use those first round picks to keep the talent level high around him.

We'll see what happens but I just have a hard time believing that this team threw multiple first round picks away to move up and take Jones. There's no way Kyle hasn't seen how difficult it is to beat guys like Allen, Mahomes, Wilson, etc.. when we've been matched up against them. I hope he's learned something from it. Draft can't get here quick enough.

He's Jared Goff that got to play on Bama.

Yup I just don't get it...you can not rely on scheme for 60 plays a game. You have guys like Aaron Donald who f**k that s**t up as soon as the ball is snapped. Ramsey locking down his first read. McG getting run over by a CB on a blitz lol. Then what? McCorkle is NOT a play maker. He's the definition of a system QB which you can find in every single draft. I would rather have Jimmy or take Davis Mills in the second. He's at least has a legit arm and is smart as f**k too.

Jones will never be a top 5 QB in this league, regardless if Kyle is calling the plays. I pray that they have fooled everyone. I feel like that's not the case, Kyle is just being Kyle and this one might get him fired.

I'm doing everything I can to convince myself that Kyle has learned from the last 4 years and that Fields and Lance are legitimate options. I keep trying to play to reason that no way any of the other 31 teams would mortgage their next few drafts on moving up to number 3 to select Mac Jones so no way the 49ers would as well. Nobody was talking about this guy as a top 5 pick a few weeks ago.

However I can't shake that sinking feeling in my gut that I had when I desperately wanted to believe the niners weren't going to take Armstead in the draft but deep down knew it was coming.

Mac Jones supporter, here. Been one from the start.

But can say not at 3. Fields has to be the pick.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

You can root for your team AND question all the miss steps and b******t too.

Kyle is not beyond being questioned....there's all kinds of misses at the most important positions, there's a f**k ton of reaching in the draft, blown games, bad FA signings, lost seasons, NOT adapting and realizing you might need something more than your playbook to win games.

I will say that if Shanahan chooses Jones (and it appears as this decision would be a veto situation over Lynch), the hot seat for him comes faster and the patience of the fan base is much smaller. It's actually for him, a bigger gamble because Jones may have a high floor, but he also has a low ceiling. It just seems like the most likely possibility is Jones is at or slightly better version of Jimmy. We needed a lot of lucky breaks in 2019 to make it to the SB, a combination that is unlikely to repeat anytime soon. Unless there is dramatic improvement at the QB position.

Trading as much as they did he's on a hot seat regardless of the pick.

The 49ers have no reason to hide their intentions. I believe Kyle is very high on Mac Jones, but I feel like the scouts (Lynch/Peters) want someone with more juice (someone that is a better athlete, that won't leave plays on the field, not to say Jones won't). This is a major decision, I have to believe they reached a consensus on who they'd like to draft if they had a top 5 pick, before the trade was made. Everyone of these prospects is a gamble. You are banking on MJ developing into a Drew Brees franchise level QB, and the other two developing what MJ is already good at.

The debate could very well be Jones vs Fields/Lance.

Still think Lance will win out in the end.

I'm wasting too much time on this. 3 more weeks of this s**t.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Jones was considered a late first to second round prospect, maybe a reach in middle of the first, but that's how it goes with QB's.

We trade up to 3 and Simms makes a logical correlation that he could be a fit. Now Jones is a solid top 3 pick? C'mon. There are 31 other teams in this league and absolutely nobody was talking about Jones being picked 3rd overall.

I don't see 3rd overall talent but he's a qb and no team is trying to raise a players stock if they're trying to land him probably the opposite

Originally posted by FL9er:

The 49ers have no reason to hide their intentions. I believe Kyle is very high on Mac Jones, but I feel like the scouts (Lynch/Peters) want someone with more juice (someone that is a better athlete, that won't leave plays on the field, not to say Jones won't). This is a major decision, I have to believe they reached a consensus on who they'd like to draft if they had a top 5 pick, before the trade was made. Everyone of these prospects is a gamble. You are banking on MJ developing into a Drew Brees franchise level QB, and the other two developing what MJ is already good at.

The debate could very well be Jones vs Fields/Lance.

Still think Lance will win out in the end.

I'm wasting too much time on this. 3 more weeks of this s**t.

Hopefully if Kyle doesn't get his guy we take Lance over Fields.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Trading as much as they did he's on a hot seat regardless of the pick.

But not nearly as much with Lance or Fields, as the narrative for those guys is they would be better suited to sit for some time.