Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Man, I'm jonesing to hear the Niners pick Mac at 3.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Jim was taken by a Super Bowl competing team, that was getting the QB blasted. So obviously instead of shoring up the line, they found a QB who could tow a truck around by his teeth. That never made sense to anyone, Druckenmillers PR team put out a tape showing how manly and strong he is, almost kind of super poor mans Tim Tebow viral marketing campaign( obviously years before we knew what a tim tebow was). He was literally drafted because he was towing a truck or car around strapped to his back. The thinking being...nah you cant sack this guy...this guy will have the DL falling off him. Keep in mind that was ABSOLUTLY a poor mans Tim Tebow...you got strong with out any of the other athleticism. He was not a guy that could play TE or FB in the NFL like Tebow probably could have.

It was the dumbest pick in my 40+ years as a 49er fan.

This is absolutely nothing like that.

You hope Jones is like taking Montana top 3 even tho the rest of the NFL thinks your reaching, albeit that seems to be changing rapidly with Jones stock on the rise. You fear taking Jones in the top 3 is like Taking Tim Rattay in the top 3, as in....did we just draft a career backup...you are completely banking on the hope his brain is amazing.

Hardest thing in the world to evaluate has got to be football instincts. 1/20th of a second can be everything. Considering how hard it is for the NFL to get "football instincts" right, imagine how hard it must be to drop that same prospect onto a historically great team like Alabama, a team with the coach and talent to make most college QBs well above functional. Its an impossible thing to quantify. I would think evaluating Mac Jones would have been a 100 times easier on a mediocre team. At least you can say hey the average QB can do this with the Average talent around him...what can Jones do. No one will know that until he gets onto an NFL team.

I like Jones, but man do i get everyones fear with this pick.

EXACTLY RIGHT. I wonder if you put Mac Jones at Iowa, does he become C.J. Beathard? We'll never know, but its easy to to say the only reason he looked good was because he had All-American talent around him at basically every skill position in a one read offense, BUT, he could be the next Kurt Warner.

What's giving everyone heartburn is the compensation to get him, and that from the moment he plays he's going to have a HUGE target on his back. Hopefully he can handle pressure well, or everyone is getting fired.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
All the analysts love this guy and his ball placement is on the dime, it just doesn't have the effortless zip that the other top QBs have. In the pros accuracy and timing is everything. Kap had plenty of juice on his throws but could only see half the field, and couldn't hit a throw to his RBs to save his life.

For Mac though everyone says how great his supporting cast was. But I keep hearing he had the toughest schedule ever in college football and won the championship.

So could it be instead of the WRs, RB, and OL making Mac look good, maybe it was Mac that made them look good ? Kyle should be able to evaluate that.

I cant help but think there is 20 other college QBs that could have won with that team. Maybe not set the all time passing efficiency bar....but you cant rule out the sheer amount of talent.

I don't want to correlate Jones to Ken Dorsey......but remember when Dorsey's passes arrived "in time" and eventually people said...well he has enough arm strength clearly..... It was not effortless, but it worked.

I don't think that is Jones....but I am seeing what your seeing.... It does not look effortless to me either. It looks like he is "driving the ball" on a lot of those passes.

I guess jones has a NFL arm...but it seems average to me. Maybe as 49er fans we have just been spoiled by Caps arm and Jimmy Gs release.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jackburton1:
The thing that I don't like with Jones' play style that I haven't seen brought up much is how cautious he is. JTO touches on it here a little bit https://youtu.be/miLOBJmT0zQ?t=204. What I see from Jones is a guy who is very risk averse, and his high IQ is frequently just him quickly turning down his first read to find the easy underneath option. Tight-window throws are VERY few and far between with him. The riskiest passes he makes are when he has Smith one on one and he just throws whether the CB has leverage or not. He has five-man protections most of the time, so he always has a checkdown option, which is not the case in our offense. Most great college qb's have the confidence to try to make plays and throw to covered guys. They're usually a bit reckless and you have to dial that down in the NFL. You shouldn't have to dial a qb's aggressiveness up.

It's not that he's cautious, it's that JT O'Sullivan was the most aggressive passer in NFL history under Mike Martz, so he sees everything from that angle. That doesn't mean he's not wrong either, on some of those. But taking care of the football was pretty much his least priority. LOL. Just adding context.

No, it's that Mac Jones thinks a window needs to be the size of a garage door to make the throw.

LOL. OK. Good thing he's coming to Kyle's system.

So stoked we finally get our Kirk Cousins, middle-of-the- pack quarterbacking we we come. Amped

This.

Jones is better in the pocket than Fields right now.

And before the Fields stans get after me I've already stated that Mac is not my 1st preference lol. Just saying when you watch Jones in the pocket, the guy executes at a higher level than Fields.

Does Shanahan believe he can coach Fields up to that level is the real question...because Fields has more physical tools than Jones.

This is what fascinates me so much about this pick. There's risk involved no matter who they pick.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jackburton1:
The thing that I don't like with Jones' play style that I haven't seen brought up much is how cautious he is. JTO touches on it here a little bit https://youtu.be/miLOBJmT0zQ?t=204. What I see from Jones is a guy who is very risk averse, and his high IQ is frequently just him quickly turning down his first read to find the easy underneath option. Tight-window throws are VERY few and far between with him. The riskiest passes he makes are when he has Smith one on one and he just throws whether the CB has leverage or not. He has five-man protections most of the time, so he always has a checkdown option, which is not the case in our offense. Most great college qb's have the confidence to try to make plays and throw to covered guys. They're usually a bit reckless and you have to dial that down in the NFL. You shouldn't have to dial a qb's aggressiveness up.

It's not that he's cautious, it's that JT O'Sullivan was the most aggressive passer in NFL history under Mike Martz, so he sees everything from that angle. That doesn't mean he's not wrong either, on some of those. But taking care of the football was pretty much his least priority. LOL. Just adding context.

No, it's that Mac Jones thinks a window needs to be the size of a garage door to make the throw.

LOL. OK. Good thing he's coming to Kyle's system.

So stoked we finally get our Kirk Cousins, middle-of-the- pack quarterbacking here we come. Amped

Can't wait.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Here's the thing though:

If it plays out as you said, I could at least forgive Kyle and Lynch. We could at least say "hey, you put your balls on the table, made a splash and took the risk for the high upside to try to actually get more out of the QB position. It may not have worked out, but I respect it."

If we traded three 1sts and a 3rd for Mac though, and he turns out to be a bust or even just a meh standard run-of-the-mill guy you can find outside of the top 5 of any draft (which is pretty much what he's always been projected to be, and literally what we already have in Jimmy)? While either Fields or Lance becomes a star that can do everything Mac can't? You couldn't justify that. It would be "oh you traded the future for the safe pick you probably didn't need to trade the future for, and he turned out to be a meh safe guy like we all expected. " There is no coming back from that. Kyle/Lynch would be out of a job (with this organization at least) and the 49ers franchise and fanbase would never hear the end of it. It would be 10 times worse than picking Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.

THAT is the difference.

As I said earlier, we've been to more superbowls than Aaron Rodgers since he's been drafted. And beat him both times on our way there.

If they are wrong on the QB it isn't as bad as you guys are making it out to be.

Originally posted by zero:
EXACTLY RIGHT. I wonder if you put Mac Jones at Iowa, does he become C.J. Beathard? We'll never know, but its easy to to say the only reason he looked good was because he had All-American talent around him at basically every skill position in a one read offense, BUT, he could be the next Kurt Warner.

What's giving everyone heartburn is the compensation to get him, and that from the moment he plays he's going to have a HUGE target on his back. Hopefully he can handle pressure well, or everyone is getting fired.

I sure seems easier to find reasons why something would not work then why something would work. That is scary.

Last time we were in this position, with Smith and Rodgers, we had that college QB Challenge event, and we all saw Rodgers hitting pie plates 40 yards down field, then made that Saints QB (Brooks?) look stupid by hitting a target like 60-70 yards down field. There was zero doubt Rodgers had massive arm and could put the ball anywhere he wanted to. We just had to overcome the Tedford coaching factor versus a guy that most of thought was not NFL ready. So of course we get Alex then start him, get him killed and set his career back by a decade.

This time around, we might end up with Jones...who is likely a good prospect, but i think a lot of us suspect he is going to have hard time adjusting to the NFL and even harder an average-ish NFL line. I think everyone wonders how he adapts to not being surrounded by above average protection. We all watched Jimmy G come back to reality dealing with pressure.

Man it just seems like the wrong draft to mortgage the future for the 3rd best QB in a draft.

Originally posted by NCommand:
It's not that he's cautious, it's that JT O'Sullivan was the most aggressive passer in NFL history under Mike Martz, so he sees everything from that angle. That doesn't mean he's not wrong either, on some of those. But taking care of the football was pretty much his least priority. LOL. Just adding context.

I think the best-case scenario is that he is willing and able to make harder throws into tight windows but Sark coached him to take the easier checkdowns. That would point to his advanced development since qb's usually learn that after a few years in the nfl. But I have no way of knowing, and it presents a big question mark. It would be a lot more difficult to learn how to make more difficult throws than learning to checkdown.

Mac confirmed.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Mac confirmed.

Adam Schefter wrote Mike Shanahan's book. https://t.co/Lqww6rhdZj

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) April 7, 2021

I didn't know about that relationship. All hail Mac Jones lol.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Mac confirmed.

Adam Schefter wrote Mike Shanahan's book. https://t.co/Lqww6rhdZj

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) April 7, 2021

Ranked 1,500,000 in book sales. Unconfirmed. Lol

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Mac confirmed.

Adam Schefter wrote Mike Shanahan's book. https://t.co/Lqww6rhdZj

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) April 7, 2021

Ranked 1,500,000 in book sales. Unconfirmed. Lol

If it sold better would matter?

Will sit behind Cam for at least a year

Originally posted by NCommand:
Mac confirmed.

Adam Schefter wrote Mike Shanahan's book. https://t.co/Lqww6rhdZj

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) April 7, 2021