Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Imagine you are an NFL team like Denver, SF, DAL or ATL with some legit talent at the skill position players. You have the option to acquire an athletically gifted QB who may blow up the league his first year, but you know that in order to have long-term success, the QB will need to:

1. develop better fundamentals,
2. tighten his throw,
3. and show that he can process and execute how defenses react to NFL route combinations.

That's 3 traits that the team hopes the QB will develop AFTER being drafted.

Or you draft the QB who has slightly a hair above average mobility in the pocket AND already has shown these traits. Do you want to wait a few years before all that talent you have NOW at your skill positions can be used properly?

Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, that team will always be in that 7-9 win abyss because the QB is talented enough to not lose too many games, but not polished enough to allow the talent on offense to dominate.

Examples? Watson, Allen (didn't light it up year 1) ,and Jackson seem to be doing OK. Just trying to think of the guys who "lit it up in year one" and then stunk. Outside of Kap can't really think of any.

Watson and Allen are better passers. Jackson is not. And it showed last year when he regressed from the year before that.

Check it out this.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Imagine you are an NFL team like Denver, SF, DAL or ATL with some legit talent at the skill position players. You have the option to acquire an athletically gifted QB who may blow up the league his first year, but you know that in order to have long-term success, the QB will need to:

1. develop better fundamentals,
2. tighten his throw,
3. and show that he can process and execute how defenses react to NFL route combinations.

That's 3 traits that the team hopes the QB will develop AFTER being drafted.

Or you draft the QB who has slightly a hair above average mobility in the pocket AND already has shown these traits. Do you want to wait a few years before all that talent you have NOW at your skill positions can be used properly?

Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, that team will always be in that 7-9 win abyss because the QB is talented enough to not lose too many games, but not polished enough to allow the talent on offense to dominate.

Imagine you're blowing those way out of proportion?

Patrick Mahomes said he didn't learn to read a defense until mid last season, that was after sitting behind Alex Smith as a rookie, that was after having an MVP season in his first year starting.

Mahomes also is far from a perfect example of QB fundamentals. He does things that would never be taught to QBs if you can help it.

One of his main knocks was he needed to learn how to run an NFL offense.

When you have guys who are talented and are able to make throws accurately and all over the field you take them and develop them. The better your team and your coaching is at the time you draft them, the better your chances of success.

You're acting like we don't have one of the top playcallers in the NFL where the first read is open more times than not.

There are things we simply haven't seen with Jones to know how he's going to react. When things are going great we've seen him play really well. When has he ever faced adversity in a game? We've seen those things with Fields.

What's the point of having a top notch coach if he just needs someone who doesn't need to develop at all? Why bother drafting a kid so high? Should've just offered up all that for Matt Stafford.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Imagine you are an NFL team like Denver, SF, DAL or ATL with some legit talent at the skill position players. You have the option to acquire an athletically gifted QB who may blow up the league his first year, but you know that in order to have long-term success, the QB will need to:

1. develop better fundamentals,
2. tighten his throw,
3. and show that he can process and execute how defenses react to NFL route combinations.

That's 3 traits that the team hopes the QB will develop AFTER being drafted.

Or you draft the QB who has slightly a hair above average mobility in the pocket AND already has shown these traits. Do you want to wait a few years before all that talent you have NOW at your skill positions can be used properly?

Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, that team will always be in that 7-9 win abyss because the QB is talented enough to not lose too many games, but not polished enough to allow the talent on offense to dominate.

Examples? Watson, Allen (didn't light it up year 1) ,and Jackson seem to be doing OK. Just trying to think of the guys who "lit it up in year one" and then stunk. Outside of Kap can't really think of any.

Watson and Allen are better passers. Jackson is not. And it showed last year when he regressed from the year before that.

But he has done it. That's the only one. His statement is: Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, So Jackson (maybe) and Kaep? that's two!! LOL . Hardly validates the statement: "Too many times........" It's a completely inaccurate statement unless you can come with the "many."

Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson also did not regress. I can find more that did not regress than did. Dumb statement.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Going to go out on a limb and say if Mac Jones skin was just a tad darker no one would be calling him a super genius QB.

And if Lance or Fields showed up and looked and threw at their Pro Day like Jones did people would've immediately downgraded them to 2nd or 3rd round picks.

Originally posted by BuZzB05:
Check it out this.

Shanahan still loves him (not as much as Kirk ). This is no doubt a Shanahan guy. I have no doubt in my mind that he sat with his Dad and Mike and watched game film and both decided that they found Baby Kirk. They're reliving past memories.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Imagine you are an NFL team like Denver, SF, DAL or ATL with some legit talent at the skill position players. You have the option to acquire an athletically gifted QB who may blow up the league his first year, but you know that in order to have long-term success, the QB will need to:

1. develop better fundamentals,
2. tighten his throw,
3. and show that he can process and execute how defenses react to NFL route combinations.

That's 3 traits that the team hopes the QB will develop AFTER being drafted.

Or you draft the QB who has slightly a hair above average mobility in the pocket AND already has shown these traits. Do you want to wait a few years before all that talent you have NOW at your skill positions can be used properly?

Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, that team will always be in that 7-9 win abyss because the QB is talented enough to not lose too many games, but not polished enough to allow the talent on offense to dominate.

Examples? Watson, Allen (didn't light it up year 1) ,and Jackson seem to be doing OK. Just trying to think of the guys who "lit it up in year one" and then stunk. Outside of Kap can't really think of any.

Watson and Allen are better passers. Jackson is not. And it showed last year when he regressed from the year before that.

But he has done it. That's the only one. His statement is: Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, So Jackson (maybe) and Kaep? that's two!! LOL . Hardly validates the statement: "Too many times........" It's a completely inaccurate statement unless you can come with the "many."

Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson also did not regress. I can find more that did not regress than did. Dumb statement.

Russell Wilson is the only true "Athletic QB" to win a SB in the last 10 years. Kyler Murray just s**t the bed just as his team was knocking on the door to the playoffs. The two of them should not be taken as similar players.

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Going to go out on a limb and say if Mac Jones skin was just a tad darker no one would be calling him a super genius QB.

And if Lance or Fields showed up and looked and threw at their Pro Day like Jones did people would've immediately downgraded them to 2nd or 3rd round picks.

You guys are trying really hard to bring race into this.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Imagine you are an NFL team like Denver, SF, DAL or ATL with some legit talent at the skill position players. You have the option to acquire an athletically gifted QB who may blow up the league his first year, but you know that in order to have long-term success, the QB will need to:

1. develop better fundamentals,
2. tighten his throw,
3. and show that he can process and execute how defenses react to NFL route combinations.

That's 3 traits that the team hopes the QB will develop AFTER being drafted.

Or you draft the QB who has slightly a hair above average mobility in the pocket AND already has shown these traits. Do you want to wait a few years before all that talent you have NOW at your skill positions can be used properly?

Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, that team will always be in that 7-9 win abyss because the QB is talented enough to not lose too many games, but not polished enough to allow the talent on offense to dominate.

Examples? Watson, Allen (didn't light it up year 1) ,and Jackson seem to be doing OK. Just trying to think of the guys who "lit it up in year one" and then stunk. Outside of Kap can't really think of any.

Watson and Allen are better passers. Jackson is not. And it showed last year when he regressed from the year before that.

But he has done it. That's the only one. His statement is: Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, So Jackson (maybe) and Kaep? that's two!! LOL . Hardly validates the statement: "Too many times........" It's a completely inaccurate statement unless you can come with the "many."

Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson also did not regress. I can find more that did not regress than did. Dumb statement.

Again Russell Wilson is not a good example. The guy can throw. Kyler Murray is still young won't be as good as Wilson - but I say he will regress when his running lanes are taken away,

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Imagine you are an NFL team like Denver, SF, DAL or ATL with some legit talent at the skill position players. You have the option to acquire an athletically gifted QB who may blow up the league his first year, but you know that in order to have long-term success, the QB will need to:

1. develop better fundamentals,
2. tighten his throw,
3. and show that he can process and execute how defenses react to NFL route combinations.

That's 3 traits that the team hopes the QB will develop AFTER being drafted.

Or you draft the QB who has slightly a hair above average mobility in the pocket AND already has shown these traits. Do you want to wait a few years before all that talent you have NOW at your skill positions can be used properly?

Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, that team will always be in that 7-9 win abyss because the QB is talented enough to not lose too many games, but not polished enough to allow the talent on offense to dominate.

Examples? Watson, Allen (didn't light it up year 1) ,and Jackson seem to be doing OK. Just trying to think of the guys who "lit it up in year one" and then stunk. Outside of Kap can't really think of any.

Watson and Allen are better passers. Jackson is not. And it showed last year when he regressed from the year before that.

But he has done it. That's the only one. His statement is: Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, So Jackson (maybe) and Kaep? that's two!! LOL . Hardly validates the statement: "Too many times........" It's a completely inaccurate statement unless you can come with the "many."

Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson also did not regress. I can find more that did not regress than did. Dumb statement.

Kyler Murray and Wilson keep hitting a point in the season where them being too quick to leave the pocket stunts the offense. There's a reason why Pete starts resorting back to the run or SEA offense starts sucking when their RB1 goes down.

Kyler Murray has a loooong way to go. He still bails too soon. Considering the talent at WRs both teams have, their passing game underperforms.

Saint's QB, Tatsom Hill...they had the same issue. The skill players' touches and contribution massively dropped because the QB is not able to distribute the ball properly.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

What does Mac Jones have that Justin Fields doesn't? ⤵️ 👀 pic.twitter.com/LYIUqAbh5X

— PFF (@PFF) April 8, 2021

Um a head to head win in the national championship. Barely even a competitive game.
That was easy

yeah that s**t had nothing to do with 8 guys on Ohio state being out to Covid.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Going to go out on a limb and say if Mac Jones skin was just a tad darker no one would be calling him a super genius QB.

And if Lance or Fields showed up and looked and threw at their Pro Day like Jones did people would've immediately downgraded them to 2nd or 3rd round picks.

You guys are trying really hard to bring race into this.

Isn't all that hard when it is clearly a factor.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Going to go out on a limb and say if Mac Jones skin was just a tad darker no one would be calling him a super genius QB.

And if Lance or Fields showed up and looked and threw at their Pro Day like Jones did people would've immediately downgraded them to 2nd or 3rd round picks.

You guys are trying really hard to bring race into this.

Isn't all that hard when it is clearly a factor.

Personally, I think Jones shows better traits as a polished QB than any QB in this draft. I absolutely do not think he should be drafted higher than QB #5, but do understand why some NFL teams that have all the pieces on offense are taking a hard look at Jones.

While everyone is looking for the next Patrick Mahomes, Jones could quite possibly be the next Tom Brady.

Originally posted by jcs:
You guys are trying really hard to bring race into this.

I was trying to point out the silliness of it all. I wouldn't say it's "us" doing it though... the media is so click baity these days that I feel like they're almost doing it on purpose.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So we all know the meltdown is coming.. but how long does it last? We gonna hear crying all off season?

Yup. Safe bet. Then again, he'll probably be sitting all year so it'll just be hypothetical cries.

So, we gonna draft the most pro-ready QB in the draft - only to sit him all year? Lol...that'll be very dumb.

He's not going to sit the entire year. Either he will win the job in preseason, or replace Garoppolo after.

Unless there's already a trade deal for Jimmy in Lynch's back pocket. If the Patriots don't get their QB, Jimmy's trade stock will raise.

What if NE's QB is gone by their pick and they give us pick 15 for JG!!!???

Yea, that's not gonna happen.