Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Going to go out on a limb and say if Mac Jones skin was just a tad darker no one would be calling him a super genius QB.

And if Lance or Fields showed up and looked and threw at their Pro Day like Jones did people would've immediately downgraded them to 2nd or 3rd round picks.

You guys are trying really hard to bring race into this.

Isn't all that hard when it is clearly a factor.

Personally, I think Jones shows better traits as a polished QB than any QB in this draft. I absolutely do not think he should be drafted higher than QB #5, but do understand why some NFL teams that have all the pieces on offense are taking a hard look at Jones.

While everyone is looking for the next Patrick Mahomes, Jones could quite possibly be the next Tom Brady.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Imagine you are an NFL team like Denver, SF, DAL or ATL with some legit talent at the skill position players. You have the option to acquire an athletically gifted QB who may blow up the league his first year, but you know that in order to have long-term success, the QB will need to:

1. develop better fundamentals,
2. tighten his throw,
3. and show that he can process and execute how defenses react to NFL route combinations.

That's 3 traits that the team hopes the QB will develop AFTER being drafted.

Or you draft the QB who has slightly a hair above average mobility in the pocket AND already has shown these traits. Do you want to wait a few years before all that talent you have NOW at your skill positions can be used properly?

Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, that team will always be in that 7-9 win abyss because the QB is talented enough to not lose too many games, but not polished enough to allow the talent on offense to dominate.

Examples? Watson, Allen (didn't light it up year 1) ,and Jackson seem to be doing OK. Just trying to think of the guys who "lit it up in year one" and then stunk. Outside of Kap can't really think of any.

Watson and Allen are better passers. Jackson is not. And it showed last year when he regressed from the year before that.

But he has done it. That's the only one. His statement is: Too many times, we have seen athletically gifted QBs light it up that first year only to have NFL defenses catch up to them and force them to be pocket QBs. At the end of the day, if a QB is not able to properly distribute the ball accurately and on time, So Jackson (maybe) and Kaep? that's two!! LOL . Hardly validates the statement: "Too many times........" It's a completely inaccurate statement unless you can come with the "many."

Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson also did not regress. I can find more that did not regress than did. Dumb statement.

Kyler Murray and Wilson keep hitting a point in the season where them being too quick to leave the pocket stunts the offense. There's a reason why Pete starts resorting back to the run or SEA offense starts sucking when their RB1 goes down.

Kyler Murray has a loooong way to go. He still bails too soon. Considering the talent at WRs both teams have, their passing game underperforms.

Saint's QB, Tatsom Hill...they had the same issue. The skill players' touches and contribution massively dropped because the QB is not able to distribute the ball properly.

Originally posted by genus49:
Imagine you're blowing those way out of proportion?

Patrick Mahomes said he didn't learn to read a defense until mid last season, that was after sitting behind Alex Smith as a rookie, that was after having an MVP season in his first year starting.

Mahomes also is far from a perfect example of QB fundamentals. He does things that would never be taught to QBs if you can help it.

One of his main knocks was he needed to learn how to run an NFL offense.

When you have guys who are talented and are able to make throws accurately and all over the field you take them and develop them. The better your team and your coaching is at the time you draft them, the better your chances of success.

You're acting like we don't have one of the top playcallers in the NFL where the first read is open more times than not.

There are things we simply haven't seen with Jones to know how he's going to react. When things are going great we've seen him play really well. When has he ever faced adversity in a game? We've seen those things with Fields.

What's the point of having a top notch coach if he just needs someone who doesn't need to develop at all? Why bother drafting a kid so high? Should've just offered up all that for Matt Stafford.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. Safe bet. Then again, he'll probably be sitting all year so it'll just be hypothetical cries.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Going to go out on a limb and say if Mac Jones skin was just a tad darker no one would be calling him a super genius QB.

And if Lance or Fields showed up and looked and threw at their Pro Day like Jones did people would've immediately downgraded them to 2nd or 3rd round picks.

You guys are trying really hard to bring race into this.

Isn't all that hard when it is clearly a factor.

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Going to go out on a limb and say if Mac Jones skin was just a tad darker no one would be calling him a super genius QB.

And if Lance or Fields showed up and looked and threw at their Pro Day like Jones did people would've immediately downgraded them to 2nd or 3rd round picks.

You guys are trying really hard to bring race into this.

Isn't all that hard when it is clearly a factor.

Clearly not a factor.

Kyle names his son (Carter) after lil wayne but is racist if he thinks Jones could be a better QB than whoever PhillyNiner wants him to draft.

If your guy goes at #3 is it still racist that he didn't go #1?

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Going to go out on a limb and say if Mac Jones skin was just a tad darker no one would be calling him a super genius QB.

And if Lance or Fields showed up and looked and threw at their Pro Day like Jones did people would've immediately downgraded them to 2nd or 3rd round picks.

You guys are trying really hard to bring race into this.

Isn't all that hard when it is clearly a factor.

Clearly not a factor.

Kyle names his son (Carter) after lil wayne but is racist if he thinks Jones could be a better QB than whoever PhillyNiner wants him to draft.

If your guy goes at #3 is it still racist that he didn't go #1?

This has nothing to do with Kyle? were are talking about how analysts love to throw shade at the intelligence levels and attempt to claim athleticism is a bad trait when it comes to black athletes. And for the record you have no f**king clue who "my guy is"

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Um a head to head win in the national championship. Barely even a competitive game.
That was easy

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Going to go out on a limb and say if Mac Jones skin was just a tad darker no one would be calling him a super genius QB.

And if Lance or Fields showed up and looked and threw at their Pro Day like Jones did people would've immediately downgraded them to 2nd or 3rd round picks.

You guys are trying really hard to bring race into this.

Isn't all that hard when it is clearly a factor.

Clearly not a factor.

Kyle names his son (Carter) after lil wayne but is racist if he thinks Jones could be a better QB than whoever PhillyNiner wants him to draft.

If your guy goes at #3 is it still racist that he didn't go #1?

This has nothing to do with Kyle? were are talking about how analysts love to throw shade at the intelligence levels and attempt to claim athleticism is a bad trait when it comes to black athletes. And for the record you have no f**king clue who "my guy is"

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
This has nothing to do with Kyle? we are talking about how analysts love to throw shade at the intelligence levels and attempt to claim athleticism is a bad trait when it comes to black athletes. And for the record you have no f**king clue who "my guy is"

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Which had far more to do with the cast that Bama has.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Um a head to head win in the national championship. Barely even a competitive game.
That was easy

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:
The word out on Lance is that he is a super smart QB, where's the disconnect?

Also it has everything to do with Kyle, the majority of analysts say fields is better but Mac is the guy because he's a Shannahan guy

Who's "your guy" potty mouth?

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by genus49:
Imagine you're blowing those way out of proportion?

Patrick Mahomes said he didn't learn to read a defense until mid last season, that was after sitting behind Alex Smith as a rookie, that was after having an MVP season in his first year starting.

Mahomes also is far from a perfect example of QB fundamentals. He does things that would never be taught to QBs if you can help it.

One of his main knocks was he needed to learn how to run an NFL offense.

When you have guys who are talented and are able to make throws accurately and all over the field you take them and develop them. The better your team and your coaching is at the time you draft them, the better your chances of success.

You're acting like we don't have one of the top playcallers in the NFL where the first read is open more times than not.

There are things we simply haven't seen with Jones to know how he's going to react. When things are going great we've seen him play really well. When has he ever faced adversity in a game? We've seen those things with Fields.

What's the point of having a top notch coach if he just needs someone who doesn't need to develop at all? Why bother drafting a kid so high? Should've just offered up all that for Matt Stafford.

I feel like we are so shell shocked as an organization from the Kaepernick ordeal that the idea of taking a raw prospect and developing them is out of the question for most people.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I feel like we are so shell shocked as an organization from the Kaepernick ordeal that the idea of taking a raw prospect and developing them is out of the question for most people.