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Apr 8, 2021 at 1:03 PM
What people fail to realize is that Kyle's supposed preference of QBs were not highly touted guys. Kirk was a 4th round pick, Schaub was a 2nd I believe, Jimmy cost a 2nd, beathard is a 3rd, the only one is Matt Ryan but he is clearly the best out of those guys. This regime likes getting players they are connected to, he'll John was f**king classmates with Thomas and that tipped the scale for some reason, and we all know Kyle worked with Fields before. I think he pretended to not make a big deal out of it but 1 key figure that is convinced that kyle has no interest in Mac is Sage Rosenfels cause of that Fields connection. He knows how much Kyle likes him and im Sure John Beck, Fields current trainer, has been in constant contact with Kyle since Kyle has coached him before.

While I won't be surprised if Kyle gets Mac, I am confident that Fields will be the guy now. Everyone's doom and gloom had me convinced its Mac for a while but im done flip flopping and can't wait to buy a Fields 49er jersey
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:06 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
People will soon realize Tom Brady is the exception not the rule, when bringing up the "in the pocket only" QBs. He will literally have to be Brady for this to be a success. Sucks for him because it's not his fault he's about to get MASSIVLY over drafted. Kyle will have a zone blocking scheme that is about movement and speed vs anchoring and straight up PP like Bama has had. Jones will be forced to make plays off script like every single QB and it will be a failure.

I mean at this point we gotta realize he's probably gonna be the pick. Kyle has proven to be awful at evaluating QBs and overall is known for reaching....It's one thing for people to say well this is what Kyle does and I told ya he will reach for system fit vs talent (which has proven to not work thus far).

BUT it's another thing for people to truthfully be onboard with such a stupid decision or pretend he's as talented as the other 4 QBs in this draft...Like you don't have to drink the Kool-Aid just because Kyle made it lol. This will go down as the most arrogant I can win with whoever, my scheme is the best pick in NFL history.

I've brought this up a couple times and it's shocking



If you can't learn from your mistakes and see WHO is actually beating you on Sundays and why...you're never gonna win it all in this league. He's already had 3 10+ losing seasons in part because of QB play. He's lost 2 SBs because of his choice at QB.

I'm with you on needing to get the guy with the elite traits with a top 5 pick, but that is just nonsense. That's not why the 49ers and Falcons lost.
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:07 PM
Originally posted by 49ers808:

but they traded for darnold
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:13 PM
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by 49ers808:

but they traded for darnold

They probably like Darnold more than Jones
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:18 PM
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by 49ers808:

but they traded for darnold

They probably like Darnold more than Jones

If the "love" fields why didnt they wait and see if he fell to them?
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:23 PM
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by 49ers808:

but they traded for darnold

They probably like Darnold more than Jones

If the "love" fields why didnt they wait and see if he fell to them?

Maybe they got the feeling or intel we were getting him?? idk man im just speculating like all of these media guys are.
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:28 PM
Originally posted by gold49digger:
What people fail to realize is that Kyle's supposed preference of QBs were not highly touted guys. Kirk was a 4th round pick, Schaub was a 2nd I believe, Jimmy cost a 2nd, beathard is a 3rd, the only one is Matt Ryan but he is clearly the best out of those guys. This regime likes getting players they are connected to, he'll John was f**king classmates with Thomas and that tipped the scale for some reason, and we all know Kyle worked with Fields before. I think he pretended to not make a big deal out of it but 1 key figure that is convinced that kyle has no interest in Mac is Sage Rosenfels cause of that Fields connection. He knows how much Kyle likes him and im Sure John Beck, Fields current trainer, has been in constant contact with Kyle since Kyle has coached him before.

While I won't be surprised if Kyle gets Mac, I am confident that Fields will be the guy now. Everyone's doom and gloom had me convinced its Mac for a while but im done flip flopping and can't wait to buy a Fields 49er jersey

Love your thinking on this and it absolutely makes sense and could be true
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:30 PM
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by 49ers808:

but they traded for darnold

They probably like Darnold more than Jones

If the "love" fields why didnt they wait and see if he fell to them?

That's the point of the post, he's not falling past 3 bro
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:34 PM
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So, here is a reason to argue that Mac is worthy of the #3 pick. Everyone says that Mac has a low ceiling, however that really isn't accurate. His ceiling is Tom Brady, Joe Montana, etc. Some of the best QB in history do not have elite physical talents. What a QB without elite physical talents needs is an elite brain. If Mac Jones' brain is elite, then he could out shine the rest of the QB in the draft.

Even with this argument, though, the 49ers would still be overpaying for Mac Jones. Part of drafting is accurately assessing how the rest of the league values a player, and normally it is best to not focus too much on one player, because then you will overpay to get that player. The 49ers could assess Mac Jones as the best QB in the draft, and still determine that no other team is likely to draft him before #6, conceivably even before #12. The 49ers could in theory wait for Mac Jones to drop to #12 and get the steal of the draft. Or if they really want to make sure they get him, wait till draft day and spend draft capital to move up to #6 when that pick is on the clock. Instead of trading 3 firsts and a third, they could get him for 2 firsts. Being a GM isn't about just picking the right players, it is also maximizing your draft capital to get as many good players as you can.
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:43 PM
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Originally posted by IceMan1763:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The funny thing is that these qualities you talk about for Mac, he has over Lawrence and Wilson. Yet with them their unquestioned physical ability is taken into account and they're graded higher.

I do not understand how this isn't the case with Fields, who is as physically talented (well more) as those guys, and as accurate as Mac.

People talk about anticipation issues with Fields, yet Lawrence has the same concerns (both nonsense and due to the offense) and issues against the blitz (yet Zach Wilson is worse).

It's mind boggling.

I really don't think Wilson is as good of a prospect as the Jets apparently do, but because I'm assuming he'll be gone at 3 I haven't talked about him much. I would imagine it's the same for a lot of other people in this thread.

Lawrence I don't see as perfect but I do see him as a generational type of prospect who deserves to go #1 overal.

I dont disagree with him going number one, but outside of the hype and him looking the part what does he do that has cemented him number one?

Is he that much better than Fields and Wilson?

Lawrence mainly going #1 because he has been great since he was a freshman.

So has Fields..

Fields couldn't beat out J.Fromm.

Burrow couldn't beat out Haskins..

You're really bad at this lol.
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:46 PM
Originally posted by fryet:
So, here is a reason to argue that Mac is worthy of the #3 pick. Everyone says that Mac has a low ceiling, however that really isn't accurate. His ceiling is Tom Brady, Joe Montana, etc. Some of the best QB in history do not have elite physical talents. What a QB without elite physical talents needs is an elite brain. If Mac Jones' brain is elite, then he could out shine the rest of the QB in the draft.

Even with this argument, though, the 49ers would still be overpaying for Mac Jones. Part of drafting is accurately assessing how the rest of the league values a player, and normally it is best to not focus too much on one player, because then you will overpay to get that player. The 49ers could assess Mac Jones as the best QB in the draft, and still determine that no other team is likely to draft him before #6, conceivably even before #12. The 49ers could in theory wait for Mac Jones to drop to #12 and get the steal of the draft. Or if they really want to make sure they get him, wait till draft day and spend draft capital to move up to #6 when that pick is on the clock. Instead of trading 3 firsts and a third, they could get him for 2 firsts. Being a GM isn't about just picking the right players, it is also maximizing your draft capital to get as many good players as you can.

How many Montana and Brady have there been in football history? So you're saying his ceiling is the third best QB of all time? Lol. Sorry that's not his ceiling, it's Cousins/Rivers/Ryan. Realistically somewhere between Tim Couch and a healthy JG seems right.
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:47 PM
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by fryet:
So, here is a reason to argue that Mac is worthy of the #3 pick. Everyone says that Mac has a low ceiling, however that really isn't accurate. His ceiling is Tom Brady, Joe Montana, etc. Some of the best QB in history do not have elite physical talents. What a QB without elite physical talents needs is an elite brain. If Mac Jones' brain is elite, then he could out shine the rest of the QB in the draft.

Even with this argument, though, the 49ers would still be overpaying for Mac Jones. Part of drafting is accurately assessing how the rest of the league values a player, and normally it is best to not focus too much on one player, because then you will overpay to get that player. The 49ers could assess Mac Jones as the best QB in the draft, and still determine that no other team is likely to draft him before #6, conceivably even before #12. The 49ers could in theory wait for Mac Jones to drop to #12 and get the steal of the draft. Or if they really want to make sure they get him, wait till draft day and spend draft capital to move up to #6 when that pick is on the clock. Instead of trading 3 firsts and a third, they could get him for 2 firsts. Being a GM isn't about just picking the right players, it is also maximizing your draft capital to get as many good players as you can.

How many Montana and Brady have there been in football history? So you're saying his ceiling is the third best QB of all time? Lol. Sorry that's not his ceiling, it's Cousins/Rivers/Ryan. Realistically somewhere between Tim Couch and a healthy JG seems right.

Ugh.. that really sucks.. I'll take the Marc Bulger comparison after that lol.
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:49 PM
Originally posted by 49ers808:
That's the point of the post, he's not falling past 3 bro

if you actually think its accurate

"every rumor coming out is bs"

except if it favors your guy...
[ Edited by DonnieDarko on Apr 8, 2021 at 1:49 PM ]
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:52 PM
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
That's the point of the post, he's not falling past 3 bro

if you actually think its accurate

"every rumor coming out is bs"

except if it favors your guy...

Yes
Apr 8, 2021 at 1:53 PM
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Originally posted by IceMan1763:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The funny thing is that these qualities you talk about for Mac, he has over Lawrence and Wilson. Yet with them their unquestioned physical ability is taken into account and they're graded higher.

I do not understand how this isn't the case with Fields, who is as physically talented (well more) as those guys, and as accurate as Mac.

People talk about anticipation issues with Fields, yet Lawrence has the same concerns (both nonsense and due to the offense) and issues against the blitz (yet Zach Wilson is worse).

It's mind boggling.

I really don't think Wilson is as good of a prospect as the Jets apparently do, but because I'm assuming he'll be gone at 3 I haven't talked about him much. I would imagine it's the same for a lot of other people in this thread.

Lawrence I don't see as perfect but I do see him as a generational type of prospect who deserves to go #1 overal.

I dont disagree with him going number one, but outside of the hype and him looking the part what does he do that has cemented him number one?

Is he that much better than Fields and Wilson?

Lawrence mainly going #1 because he has been great since he was a freshman.

So has Fields..

Fields couldn't beat out J.Fromm.

Burrow couldn't beat out Haskins..

You're really bad at this lol.
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