Mac Jones-QB-Jaguars

Look, Mac Jones isn't going to be a Niner.

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by 1251alex:
None of us idiots posting here know what any of these QBs ceiling is. sucha dumb discussion.

Ha right, everyone acts like they have the expertise to nitpick at their footwork, release, etc. We are all just keyboard scouts who know nothing!

Then i expect to never see you posting in this thread again.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Look, Mac Jones isn't going to be a Niner.

I hope so but I don't think it's going to happen

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

I don't think it's fair I keep getting blamed for all this stuff.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

What does Mac Jones have that Justin Fields doesn't? ⤵️ 👀 pic.twitter.com/LYIUqAbh5X

— PFF (@PFF) April 8, 2021

Win Championships

This was JT O'Sullivan's final QB rankings from last year, just for comparison:

1. Tua.

2. Burrow

3. Fromm

4. Jordan Love

5. Nate Stanley

6. Anthony Gordon

7. Jalen Hurts

8. Justin Herbert

9. Jacob Eason

10. Steven Montez

Originally posted by Heroism:

What makes @AlabamaFTBL QB @MacJones_10 special?

"He's the kind of leader and decision maker that NFL teams want." - @chad_reuter pic.twitter.com/SDGQ6ZE66I

— NFL (@NFL) April 8, 2021

f**k off lol (not you hero)

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

What makes @AlabamaFTBL QB @MacJones_10 special?

"He's the kind of leader and decision maker that NFL teams want." - @chad_reuter pic.twitter.com/SDGQ6ZE66I

— NFL (@NFL) April 8, 2021

f**k off lol (not you hero)

Was that a hype video? The whole thing does not scream difference maker or top 3 pick. It literally mentions 2nd round at the end

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This was JT O'Sullivan's final QB rankings from last year, just for comparison:

1. Tua.

2. Burrow

3. Fromm

4. Jordan Love

5. Nate Stanley

6. Anthony Gordon

7. Jalen Hurts

8. Justin Herbert

9. Jacob Eason

10. Steven Montez

Wow thats pretty bad... I mean I wasn't the biggest herbert fan but even I have him way above fromm, Stanley, and Gordon.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Look, Mac Jones isn't going to be a Niner.

If you were a reader of the Webzone editorials you'd certainly believe that...

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The funny thing is that these qualities you talk about for Mac, he has over Lawrence and Wilson. Yet with them their unquestioned physical ability is taken into account and they're graded higher.

I do not understand how this isn't the case with Fields, who is as physically talented (well more) as those guys, and as accurate as Mac.

People talk about anticipation issues with Fields, yet Lawrence has the same concerns (both nonsense and due to the offense) and issues against the blitz (yet Zach Wilson is worse).

It's mind boggling.

I really don't think Wilson is as good of a prospect as the Jets apparently do, but because I'm assuming he'll be gone at 3 I haven't talked about him much. I would imagine it's the same for a lot of other people in this thread.

Lawrence I don't see as perfect but I do see him as a generational type of prospect who deserves to go #1 overal.

I dont disagree with him going number one, but outside of the hype and him looking the part what does he do that has cemented him number one?

Is he that much better than Fields and Wilson?

Lawrence mainly going #1 because he has been great since he was a freshman.

So has Fields..

Fields couldn't beat out J.Fromm.

Burrow couldn't beat out Haskins..

You're really bad at this lol.

Wait is Burrow in the draft right now?

By the way, not sure Fields would have beat out Haskins either if he didn't declare.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Wow thats pretty bad... I mean I wasn't the biggest herbert fan but even I have him way above fromm, Stanley, and Gordon.

Gives more context

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by fryet:
So, here is a reason to argue that Mac is worthy of the #3 pick. Everyone says that Mac has a low ceiling, however that really isn't accurate. His ceiling is Tom Brady, Joe Montana, etc. Some of the best QB in history do not have elite physical talents. What a QB without elite physical talents needs is an elite brain. If Mac Jones' brain is elite, then he could out shine the rest of the QB in the draft.

Even with this argument, though, the 49ers would still be overpaying for Mac Jones. Part of drafting is accurately assessing how the rest of the league values a player, and normally it is best to not focus too much on one player, because then you will overpay to get that player. The 49ers could assess Mac Jones as the best QB in the draft, and still determine that no other team is likely to draft him before #6, conceivably even before #12. The 49ers could in theory wait for Mac Jones to drop to #12 and get the steal of the draft. Or if they really want to make sure they get him, wait till draft day and spend draft capital to move up to #6 when that pick is on the clock. Instead of trading 3 firsts and a third, they could get him for 2 firsts. Being a GM isn't about just picking the right players, it is also maximizing your draft capital to get as many good players as you can.

How many Montana and Brady have there been in football history? So you're saying his ceiling is the third best QB of all time? Lol. Sorry that's not his ceiling, it's Cousins/Rivers/Ryan. Realistically somewhere between Tim Couch and a healthy JG seems right.

For starters, Montana was more nimble and athletic than Jones when he came out. Brady, probably less athletic than Jones. But the point of the original post is that athleticism gets overstated for the QB position and the mythological "ceiling". There is certainly a trend toward more athletic quarterbacks in the NFL, but it's relevant to point out that two of the greatest players to play the position were ball distributors that beat you with their brain more than their physical prowess.

Some believe that the qualities between a QB's ears, e.g., sensing pressure, reading defenses quickly, anticipating what routes are likely to come open pre-snap, in combination with an ability to deliver the ball to the right man with accuracy, are more importance than possessing the ability to dodge a free blitzer, escape an edge rusher who just beat your tackle, or stretching a defense to the breaking point by forcing them to account for a possible QB run. They are two different schools of thought and neither is necessarily right or wrong. What has a higher ceiling, Chinese food or Italian food?

Truth is, no one knows these guys' ceilings until they go out there and do it. There is plenty of history to suggest that the QB's head is his most important asset, but it's also the most difficult to evaluate and measure. But to suggest that player X has a low ceiling because he can't outrun all of the defenders, that just avoids the issue by reducing a QB to his measurable physical attributes.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Wow thats pretty bad... I mean I wasn't the biggest herbert fan but even I have him way above fromm, Stanley, and Gordon.

Gives more context

Oh the Mac Jones crowd wouldn't want Justin Herbert JTO said he doesn't process fast.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
And yeah this was a pretty damn grown ass man kind of throw here. More of this please.

Mac Jones deserves more recognition pic.twitter.com/vFBWwZZ2Pf

— Unnecessary Roughness (@UnnecRoughness) November 22, 2020

That was pretty sick

agreed

Originally posted by MeddlingKids:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

I don't think it's fair I keep getting blamed for all this stuff.

Username checks out.